[Discuss] [Member Access] RFID Door Access.. Progress update (Action Items).

Rick Osgood EMAIL HIDDEN
Tue Dec 20 16:58:57 PST 2011


Sweet, good work!  Are you maintaining a public list of what cards
work/don't work and their specs?  In the wiki or something?

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:52 PM, James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:

> All,
> I got a RFID card reader working and activating a "door" (LED fake door
> until we get the striker installed).  I got 2 demo cards when I got the
> reader.
> A works and B does not.  Over time I will expand what "known" and
> "unknown" cards do, but for now "Know" cards unlock the door.
>
> We should have a working RFID access door very very soon.
>
> --James
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Ellery Weber <EMAIL HIDDEN>wrote:
>
>> Great idea, bob!
>> On Dec 20, 2011 1:39 PM, "Rick Osgood" <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Bob that it would probably be best if EMS owned all of the
>>> cards.  The 10 I plan on purchasing today I will be donating to EMS so I
>>> will not own them.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Bob Miller <EMAIL HIDDEN>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's an idea.  Since EMS the organization controls access to the
>>>> space,
>>>> why not also have EMS also own all the key cards/fobs?  It looks like
>>>> it'll
>>>> cost under $40 to get enough for all keyholders through the next couple
>>>> of
>>>> months.
>>>>
>>>> That's much easier and less overhead than having everyone track down
>>>> their
>>>> own cards, tracking compatibility, etc.
>>>>
>>>> [I originally replied to just Rick.  Sorry, Rick.]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Rick Osgood <
>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just realized that these do not qualify for Amazon Prime shipping.
>>>>>  I guess they are still cheaper than the SparkFun badges though.  Amazon
>>>>> also has keychain RFID tags you can get that sound like they would be
>>>>> compatible.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Key-Fob-RFID-Tag/dp/B005ZZBQSA/ref=lh_ni_t
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to order 10 of these cards from Amazon for the space and one
>>>>> of the keychain type.  I'll put the order in at 2:00PM today. If anyone
>>>>> wants to add more cards or anything to this order then let me know and we
>>>>> will work out the payment details.  10 keys should be enough to get us
>>>>> started at least though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM, James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes that is the reader
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Rick Osgood <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think these cards might be compatible with your RFID reader James:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/RFID-Credit-Card-Tag-125kHz/dp/B005ZZ5Y88/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1324407458&sr=1-2-fkmr0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this the reader you are using?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8419
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The RFID cards you linked to on Sparkfun use EM4001 encoding.  The
>>>>>> cards I just linked to on Amazon are EM4102 encoding.  I found this
>>>>>> Sparkfun forum post that makes me think the EM4102 tags are backwards
>>>>>> compatible with EM4001 readers:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forum.sparkfun.com/viewtopic.php?t=1055&view=previous&sid=d8ef0254da035119f9cb9a207be3bc84
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mention this because I have a 1 month Amazon Prime trial so I can
>>>>>> get 2 day shipping on the Amazon tags for free I think.  I think I will
>>>>>> order a couple of them and see if they work.  Can you just confirm what
>>>>>> RFID reader chip you are using so I can be more confident before spending
>>>>>> the money?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Rick Osgood <
>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We should probably coordinate this order so we can all save on
>>>>>>> shipping charges.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:33 AM, James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sample card (from Kevin) did not work with our reader.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I got the door striker in the mail today so I would suggest
>>>>>>>> everyone that would like RFID access order one asap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Kevin King <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wait a few days before purchasing any RFID badges.  I have asked
>>>>>>>>> the Risk department at my work if I could have (or if needed purchase) the
>>>>>>>>> old RFID badges and badge printer.  Earlier this year we moved from cards
>>>>>>>>> to fobs and no longer need these.  They are looking into it and hopefully
>>>>>>>>> will give me an answer soon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Kevin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Ben Hallert - Vipmail <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>> *To:* James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* "EMAIL HIDDEN" <EMAIL HIDDEN>;
>>>>>>>>> Ellery Weber <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wed, December 14, 2011 12:45:43 PM
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] [Member Access] RFID Door Access..
>>>>>>>>> Progress update (Action Items).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I live that they say 'don't implant it!' but one of the lusted
>>>>>>>>> features is 'implantable'.  Make up your mind, guys!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Ben
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:34 PM, James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL  .. Wrong, no.. I am thinking of doing it regardless of their
>>>>>>>>> warnings...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Ellery Weber <
>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is it wrong of me to really want one of these? lol
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9416
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- Ellery Weber
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:59 PM, James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We (Ben, Dirk, Laura, and myself) are quickly making progress
>>>>>>>>>>> and foresee having it* done well before the end of the year.  What we wont'
>>>>>>>>>>> have is enough cards purchased for everyone.  The parts we had on hand to
>>>>>>>>>>> make entry easy and work quickly and cheaply.  The cheapest and easiest way
>>>>>>>>>>> to get them is from SparkFun.com, which is where the reader
>>>>>>>>>>> came from.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would suggest groups of people go in together to save on
>>>>>>>>>>> shipping and handeling (oh how I was just so recently bit by Digi-Key)...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Card($1.95):
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10169
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 5 Card Pack($9.95):
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10436
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Button($3.95):
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9417
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *It being a RFID reader to do a lookup of known good cards and
>>>>>>>>>>> then open a fail closed electric door striker plate.  No physical "key"
>>>>>>>>>>> will be necessary for members.  As time moves on and we get more hardware
>>>>>>>>>>> we can expand the system to support other methods of entry.  The
>>>>>>>>>>> goal today is to get members in as quickly and as cheaply (equipment cost)
>>>>>>>>>>> as we can while not lowering our security posture in the process.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --James
>>>>>>>>>>>
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