[Discuss] [Member Access] RFID Door Access.. Progress update (Action Items).

Dirk Godsey EMAIL HIDDEN
Fri Dec 23 15:17:07 PST 2011


Welder is functioning now.  Welded tabs on brace for striker mounting.
 Will need to finish, clean up and paint it.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Rick Osgood <EMAIL HIDDEN>wrote:

> Sweet, good work!  Are you maintaining a public list of what cards
> work/don't work and their specs?  In the wiki or something?
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:52 PM, James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I got a RFID card reader working and activating a "door" (LED fake door
>> until we get the striker installed).  I got 2 demo cards when I got the
>> reader.
>> A works and B does not.  Over time I will expand what "known" and
>> "unknown" cards do, but for now "Know" cards unlock the door.
>>
>> We should have a working RFID access door very very soon.
>>
>> --James
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Ellery Weber <EMAIL HIDDEN>wrote:
>>
>>> Great idea, bob!
>>> On Dec 20, 2011 1:39 PM, "Rick Osgood" <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with Bob that it would probably be best if EMS owned all of the
>>>> cards.  The 10 I plan on purchasing today I will be donating to EMS so I
>>>> will not own them.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Bob Miller <EMAIL HIDDEN>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's an idea.  Since EMS the organization controls access to the
>>>>> space,
>>>>> why not also have EMS also own all the key cards/fobs?  It looks like
>>>>> it'll
>>>>> cost under $40 to get enough for all keyholders through the next
>>>>> couple of
>>>>> months.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's much easier and less overhead than having everyone track down
>>>>> their
>>>>> own cards, tracking compatibility, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> [I originally replied to just Rick.  Sorry, Rick.]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Rick Osgood <
>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I just realized that these do not qualify for Amazon Prime shipping.
>>>>>>  I guess they are still cheaper than the SparkFun badges though.  Amazon
>>>>>> also has keychain RFID tags you can get that sound like they would be
>>>>>> compatible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Key-Fob-RFID-Tag/dp/B005ZZBQSA/ref=lh_ni_t
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm going to order 10 of these cards from Amazon for the space and
>>>>>> one of the keychain type.  I'll put the order in at 2:00PM today. If anyone
>>>>>> wants to add more cards or anything to this order then let me know and we
>>>>>> will work out the payment details.  10 keys should be enough to get us
>>>>>> started at least though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM, James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes that is the reader
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Rick Osgood <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think these cards might be compatible with your RFID reader James:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/RFID-Credit-Card-Tag-125kHz/dp/B005ZZ5Y88/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1324407458&sr=1-2-fkmr0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this the reader you are using?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8419
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The RFID cards you linked to on Sparkfun use EM4001 encoding.  The
>>>>>>> cards I just linked to on Amazon are EM4102 encoding.  I found this
>>>>>>> Sparkfun forum post that makes me think the EM4102 tags are backwards
>>>>>>> compatible with EM4001 readers:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://forum.sparkfun.com/viewtopic.php?t=1055&view=previous&sid=d8ef0254da035119f9cb9a207be3bc84
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I mention this because I have a 1 month Amazon Prime trial so I can
>>>>>>> get 2 day shipping on the Amazon tags for free I think.  I think I will
>>>>>>> order a couple of them and see if they work.  Can you just confirm what
>>>>>>> RFID reader chip you are using so I can be more confident before spending
>>>>>>> the money?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Rick Osgood <
>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We should probably coordinate this order so we can all save on
>>>>>>>> shipping charges.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:33 AM, James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sample card (from Kevin) did not work with our reader.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I got the door striker in the mail today so I would suggest
>>>>>>>>> everyone that would like RFID access order one asap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Kevin King <EMAIL HIDDEN>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wait a few days before purchasing any RFID badges.  I have asked
>>>>>>>>>> the Risk department at my work if I could have (or if needed purchase) the
>>>>>>>>>> old RFID badges and badge printer.  Earlier this year we moved from cards
>>>>>>>>>> to fobs and no longer need these.  They are looking into it and hopefully
>>>>>>>>>> will give me an answer soon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Ben Hallert - Vipmail <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* "EMAIL HIDDEN" <
>>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN>; Ellery Weber <
>>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wed, December 14, 2011 12:45:43 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] [Member Access] RFID Door Access..
>>>>>>>>>> Progress update (Action Items).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I live that they say 'don't implant it!' but one of the lusted
>>>>>>>>>> features is 'implantable'.  Make up your mind, guys!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Ben
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:34 PM, James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LOL  .. Wrong, no.. I am thinking of doing it regardless of their
>>>>>>>>>> warnings...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Ellery Weber <
>>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> is it wrong of me to really want one of these? lol
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9416
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --- Ellery Weber
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:59 PM, James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN
>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We (Ben, Dirk, Laura, and myself) are quickly making progress
>>>>>>>>>>>> and foresee having it* done well before the end of the year.  What we wont'
>>>>>>>>>>>> have is enough cards purchased for everyone.  The parts we had on hand to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make entry easy and work quickly and cheaply.  The cheapest and easiest way
>>>>>>>>>>>> to get them is from SparkFun.com, which is where the reader
>>>>>>>>>>>> came from.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would suggest groups of people go in together to save on
>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping and handeling (oh how I was just so recently bit by Digi-Key)...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Card($1.95):
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10169
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5 Card Pack($9.95):
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10436
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Button($3.95):
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9417
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *It being a RFID reader to do a lookup of known good cards and
>>>>>>>>>>>> then open a fail closed electric door striker plate.  No physical "key"
>>>>>>>>>>>> will be necessary for members.  As time moves on and we get more hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>> we can expand the system to support other methods of entry.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>> goal today is to get members in as quickly and as cheaply (equipment cost)
>>>>>>>>>>>> as we can while not lowering our security posture in the process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --James
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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