[EMS Discuss] New Linked Forums

Ellery Weber EMAIL HIDDEN
Mon Mar 12 19:14:27 PDT 2012


I'm kinda late to this discussion, but I would also really prefer that our
email address not be on the forums...


--- Ellery Weber


On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Bob Miller <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:

> I created a Google+ page for EMS a few weeks before the grand opening.
> I am crappy at keeping it updated, though.  Would you (Nathan or anyone
> else) like me to add you as an administrator?
>
> I think this is the URL.
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/111153472349343637677/posts
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:10 PM, InEugene <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > - Just did a Google search on my other email address and the second
> result
> > was http://eugenemakerspace.com/pipermail/com.eugenemakerspace.discusseven
> > with the obfuscation. I'd prefer a system that stripped the email
> addresses
> > altogether. Maybe that's too complicated. I'd think you could do a 'find
> > words that contain "@" and replace with "..."' or something. Talking to
> Alex
> > it sounds like changing the "@" to "at" would have little benefit.
> >
> > - Standard size for avatars on the other forums I've worked on is
> 100x100.
> > If filesize is an issue we can always host them on imgur. Is filesize an
> > issue?
> >
> > - I still don't seem to have admin access. If you go into the
> Moderator/User
> > Manager admin control panel you should be able to pull up my account and
> > then under Forum Administrator you can click on the toggle link to assign
> > administrative rights.
> >
> > - Side note: Are we planning on having a Google+ presence? I know
> several of
> > us are on there. I could set that up as well.
> >
> > /Nathan
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/7/2012 7:42 PM, Mr. Clif wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Nathan,
> >>
> >> Yes I was going to mention that. The lost password procedure is a two
> >> step process. When it takes you to the login page you need to wait for
> >> the second email which has your account name and new password, and as
> >> Nathan has noted it might end up in your spam folder.
> >>
> >> Nathan wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> Be aware, if you are using Gmail the reset password email may get
> >>> stuck in your spam filter.
> >>>
> >>> Also I'm checking with a friend of mine who works in messaging to
> >>> determine what level of obfuscation will be sufficient to avoid
> >>> harvesting. I'm not sure if just turning the "@" symbols to "at" will
> >>> do the trick as harvesters are pretty sophisticated. I don't follow
> >>> the email threat landscape very closely but Alex should have a good
> >>> idea what is required.
> >>
> >>
> >> Excelent, I look forward to his insights. For comparisons sake this is
> >> *All* that mailman does. You can check our archives here:
> >> http://eugenemakerspace.com/pipermail/com.eugenemakerspace.discuss to
> >> see. How many mailman installations are there? tens of thousands? 100s
> >> of thousands? Anyway I agree, I think email obfuscation is mostly to
> >> make users feel good, I don't think it's that practical. That is what
> >> spam filters are for.
> >>
> >> Now, what I just wrote for the forums does more than this. It also
> >> strips off the mailto: and <...> around the addresses. Mailman doesn’t
> >> bother with that.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I believe we'll need to increase the max avatar size as well. I'm
> >>> guessing it's set to default now and it's crazy small.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ok what size seems reasonable to you?
> >>
> >>> I did make FAKESPAMACCOUNT for testing, the posts were for testing as
> >>> well.
> >>>
> >>> - Nathan
> >>
> >> Cool,
> >>
> >> So we talked about our mailing list and forum policy at the board
> >> meeting tonight, and decided that we like it the way it is for now, but
> >> will be happy to adjust things when we start to have problems. It was
> >> noted that most forums do allow unmoderated signups. So I think that the
> >> next thing we will have to tweak is to bump the number of initial
> >> moderated posts up to 2 etc...
> >>
> >> Ciao,
> >> Clif
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 3/7/2012 6:02 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I would personally prefer it if the new users were moderated rather
> >>>> than posts. It pisses me off to not be able to post to a forum
> >>>> multiple times. I understand the first time, but then again and
> >>>> again? I think many would agree that it is frustrating.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, what about making Nathan an admin? I didn't see a response to
> >>>> that. That would help get moderation done quickly and help get things
> >>>> tweaked and working faster.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nathan,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> InEugene wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think you will want to switch that. As it stands making an
> >>>>>> account is
> >>>>>> unlocked and anyone can do create one in 30 seconds and have
> access...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes that is exactly the same as the mailing lists, and we haven't
> had a
> >>>>> problem with them yet. In fact Rick decided that it was too hard to
> >>>>> post to
> >>>>> the board list so he opened it up to everyone.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...to the but all posts are moderated. What you will want to do is
> >>>>>> make it
> >>>>>> so all new members have to be approved and posts are unmoderated,
> >>>>>> otherwise
> >>>>>> someone will have to constantly be moderating posts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, perhaps that will become a problem someday, maybe even soon. At
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> time we can easily switch. The forum uses Captcha so at least bots
> >>>>> can't
> >>>>> easily register, and the first N posts of a new user are moderated.
> >>>>> Right
> >>>>> now N is one, so we will probably have to bump that up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I see someone made a FAKESPAMACCOUNT
> >>>>> <http://forum.eugenemakerspace.com/index.php?t=usrinfo&id=26&> was
> >>>>> that you?
> >>>>> unfortunately those posts are still in the moderation queue... and
> now
> >>>>> they're gone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When can you obfuscate the email addresses? You might want to pull
> >>>>>> your
> >>>>>> forums back down until that can be done.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Done.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ciao,
> >>>>> Clif
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 3/7/2012 4:10 PM, Mr. Clif wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yes anyone can read the forums, but only registered users can
> >>>>>>> post, which
> >>>>>>> is the same for the mailing lists.
> >>>>>>> Only emails that came from quoted text in the lists are visible,
> but
> >>>>>>> those can be obfuscated in the same way the forum archives are.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Clif
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You can
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm seeing a rather large problem with this. Correct me if I'm
> >>>>>>>> wrong but
> >>>>>>>> it looks like anyone can access these forums. It also looks like
> >>>>>>>> everyone's
> >>>>>>>> email address is visible here. I'm pretty sure this will result
> >>>>>>>> in all of
> >>>>>>>> our email addresses being harvested for spam and phishing attacks.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - Nathan
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 3/7/2012 8:53 AM, Clif Cox wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yes, :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You log in to the forum using the lost password procedure
> >>>>>>>>> (just the first time) and navigate to the topic of interest.
> >>>>>>>>> Then you select the "Subscribe to topic" link at the top of
> >>>>>>>>> the page. You will probably also want to go to your member
> >>>>>>>>> profile to fine tune some other settings.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You can also pull down new topics from a forum in an RSS
> >>>>>>>>> feed, though I'm not sure you can just select messages in a
> >>>>>>>>> topic, eg:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> http://forum.eugenemakerspace.com/feed.php?mode=t&l=1&n=10&frm=1&format=rss
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ciao!
> >>>>>>>>> Clif
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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