[EMS Discuss] The "official" forum is getting spammed

Dirk Godsey EMAIL HIDDEN
Tue Mar 13 12:26:24 PDT 2012


Nathan,

You might discuss this with Caleb.  I know he struggled with it in the
beginning with the LZBZ forums.  Doesn't seem to be an issue now.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM, James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
> There is http://www.phpbb.com/ that does not have these spam/account
> problems.  Why band-aid a solution that does not work when there is one on
> the shelf that does work.
>
> In other words, consider this a motion to use PHPBB instead, as it's a know
> working solution.
>
> --James
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Mr. Clif <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>
>> Yes we should talk about it, and I'm looking into some ideas.
>> I would like to note that it's not spam posting problem, and currently you
>> can delete all the bogus accounts at once. I would also like it to work
>> kinda like Rick suggests, but I don't see how that could be completely
>> automated. It requires some manual intervention, and then a bit of a delay.
>>
>> As I mentioned before you either moderate the account creation or the
>> first post(s). As Rick has hinted at, these things are always tradeoffs
>> between Usability and Security / Annoyance.
>>
>> To address Nathan's comment about the names, you don't have to create an
>> account to see those. They are visible to anyone browsing the forum, or
>> mailing list archives for that matter. I was able to change my name without
>> duplicating my account, however you can merge accounts back together if that
>> happens. Also, It's not enabled by default but you can allow aliases for
>> each user. Presumably, those would be displayed instead of the names.
>>
>> It all boils down to personal choice and what you let other people know
>> about you.
>>
>>    Clif
>>
>>
>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>
>>> I want to see this discussion continue but I wonder if it would also
>>> be good to keep a list of the different ideas for fixing the spam
>>> problem and talk about them at the member meeting next Wednesday?
>>> That is assuming some agreed upon resolution is not found in these
>>> discussions.  It seems like altering the way spam is controlled would
>>> possibly affect all members who may want to use the forums so maybe we
>>> could present the ideas at the meeting and everyone could just vote on
>>> them. I just don't want to see this conversation just sort of die away
>>> and then nothing is really changed or fixed.  Talking about it at the
>>> meeting could be a good way to come up with an action to actually
>>> change/fix things.  Just an idea though, we don't have to do that
>>> either.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, James Hukill<EMAIL HIDDEN>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use message boards all day and IMHO, making new members or potential
>>>> new
>>>> members wait to post may chase them off.  On other boards I frequent and
>>>> moderate we do not have a spam account problem.  We should move to
>>>> software
>>>> that does not have these issues.
>>>>
>>>> --James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Rick Osgood<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm mostly indifferent to all of this.  i haven't used forums much in
>>>>> the past, never mind moderating them so I really have no experience in
>>>>> this area.  That being said, I would just like to see it setup in such
>>>>> a way that members can sign up and start posting quickly without
>>>>> having to wait a long time for someone to approve their
>>>>> account/posts/whatever.  It's definitely frustrating to want to post
>>>>> something and have to just wait until some admin somewhere decides to
>>>>> check out your account and approve it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Ben Hallert<EMAIL HIDDEN>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I endorse this.  At even the most wildly enthusiastic predictions for
>>>>>> the future of the group, this would remain maintainable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Laura Harris<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't allow people to create their own accounts- end of problem. It's
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>> easier for an admin to create an account than to maintain an ongoing
>>>>>>> routine
>>>>>>> of purging spammers and their spam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Ellery Weber<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>> To: InEugene<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>> Cc: EMAIL HIDDEN
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:40 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [EMS Discuss] The "official" forum is getting spammed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> did asd123, achsoo, waligators2013 get verified as users?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- Ellery Weber
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:15 PM, InEugene<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you look at the "homepages" they've set up. It's pretty obvious
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> spam accounts. There have been three additional accounts created
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> initial email. The captcha doesn't seem to be helping. Fully 1/3 of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> accounts are now fake spam accounts. When the spammer creates an
>>>>>>> account on
>>>>>>> that forum they also have access to our first and last names. Not
>>>>>>> critical
>>>>>>> but I tried to change the name on my account from Nathan Worth to
>>>>>>> NathanW
>>>>>>> and somehow I now have two accounts. I'm curious on how the spammers
>>>>>>> got to
>>>>>>> your forum so fast. I would assume mine would have been hit because
>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>> hosted on a free forum site, but I've had no problems. Feel free to
>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>> look, you'll have to create an account to do so though as I have only
>>>>>>> general discussion open to non-members and nothing open to guests.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://eugenemakerspace.freeforums.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -N
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/12/2012 6:43 PM, Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's interesting, thanks for pointing that out Nathan. Yes those
>>>>>>> accounts did get created but I only see that
>>>>>>> asd123 tried to post anything, and that was caught in the moderation
>>>>>>> queue as it should be. I'm looking for the other's messages but it
>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>> zero.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As we discussed before we can adjust the number of messages someone
>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>> send that must be approved by the moderator. I'm not sure about this
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> wouldn't it be cool if that number of posts had to be actually
>>>>>>> approved
>>>>>>> before they could get out of the "moderation box". If true, then the
>>>>>>> spamers could only create accounts which will eventually be cleaned
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> like so much garbage. Additionally it's possible delete all of
>>>>>>> someones
>>>>>>> posts with their account but that may not even be necessary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well as far as tradeoffs go, allowing genuine users easy account
>>>>>>> creation may be worth the trouble of deleting unused spam accounts
>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>> in awhile. There shouldn't be that many because there is a captcha
>>>>>>> test.
>>>>>>> On the other hand, there is a point of moderation either way. The
>>>>>>> Moderators either have to approve accounts or approve posts. I've
>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>> that asking them to fill out a form item like say "What are your
>>>>>>> interests" Doesn’t always work. eg, James didn't and I had to ask him
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> that account with a different email address was actually him. So....
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> might be easier to just wait and see what their first post is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clif
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> InEugene wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks like spam 7 accounts were created. Only one new post by one of
>>>>>>> the spam accounts. 2 Friday, 2 Saturday, 1 Sunday, 2 today. Odd, the
>>>>>>> links they posted are mostly German. No spam on the "unofficial"
>>>>>>> forums I created. Neither accounts nor posts. Not sure why that is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Nathan
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