[EMS Discuss] New Storage Rules for Eugene Maker Space

Fri Nov 1 11:10:11 PDT 2013

Hi Kevin,

Yes You're right we do need to rethink our storage situation.

On 11/01/2013 10:31 AM, Kevin King wrote:
> To go along with the storage proposal, a change needs to be made in 
> our storage capabilities.  The Gorilla racks that we currently use are 
> good, but sturdier and larger racks can be built for cheaper.  I have 
> built shelves similar to the ones the link below.  They are very 
> sturdy and are easily adjusted.  Building something like this would 
> maximize our storage capacity and for cheap.  Requiring only 2x4s and 
> 3/4" plywood.

I'm all for cheap and easy but it looks like these have to be fastened 
to a wall or ceiling, and obviously are unmovable. In comparison, the 
shelving at Noisebridge in San Francisco was set up like library shelves 
in the middle of one area. This acknowledges the fact that there is a 
lot more center area than wall space. I'm sure we can find a design that 

> I think the shelf space that members are entitled with membership is a 
> little small as well.  Most members would have a toolbox or tote on 
> the shelf full of their stuff.  The 12"x12" could be a little 
> limiting.  Building shelving like this would give us quote a bit of 
> storage space.  I believe about 15' length of this shelving would 
> yield at least 75x 50-quart storage totes that measure 20"x15"x15" 
> (LxWxH).  That is with shelving 8' tall.  With high ceilings, we could 
> potentially go taller, but then safety could be a concern.  If we 
> could score one of those stairs on wheels like they have at Jerry's, 
> that would be nice.

Well we should try to find a good medium, there are many members like 
myself that have no shelving requirements, and some that do. I agree 
that your Dues should get you something in most resource areas. On the 
other hand we do have to grow into a larger space so sizeing the (free) 
resources to the larger end of what members need is not going to help us 
pay for it.

> Bobs proposal specifies that additional shelving can be purchased per 
> month at $5/linear foot.  Being that linear foot includes the depth of 
> the shelf, that should be sufficient for an additional toolbox or 2' 
> deep container. $5/month does not seem extreme.  At $1/ft, a member 
> could rent an entire gorilla rack for $20/month.  We could quickly run 
> out of storage space.

Well yes his initial estimate was $5 / linear foot which for a 2 foot 
deep shelf is $2.50 / sqft. which was the same as the floor space rate. 
However because there are around 7 shelves in one unit you could divide 
reduce that rate by as much as 7 fold and still get the same income for 
a fully used shelf. So lets take your example of $1 / linear foot which 
is 50c / sqft right? Then we have a 15 foot long shelf unit X 7 levels = 
105 linear feet of shelving / unit. So 105 X $1 / linear foot = $105 / 
unit, if the shelf is fully used. The shelf's foot print on the floor is 
only about 2' by 15' or 30 Sqft. So you get about $3.50 / Sqft for each 
shelf unit that is fully used. Of course in reality they will only be 
about half full so I think that $2.00 / linear foot is a better starting 

> http://www.homedepot.com/c/how_to_build_garage_shelves_HT_PG_SO
> -Kevin


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> *From:* Bob Miller <EMAIL HIDDEN>
> *To:* Taper Wickel <EMAIL HIDDEN>
> *Cc:* discuss <EMAIL HIDDEN>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:25 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [EMS Discuss] New Storage Rules for Eugene Maker Space
> I think you're right -- if it's under construction like the vacuum
> table currently is, then it's a project and it would owe rent.  Once
> it's completed, it could be donated or lent to EMS, or it could become
> a Gallery Item, or the member could continue to pay rent to store it
> (and not share it).  An interesting edge case is the 3D printers,
> which are only working part of the time. (-:
> I don't understand your question about multiple members. I can only
> think of two things that were limited per-member.  Free shelf space.
> Sure, if two members want to pool their space, that's probably
> reasonable.  And "If the member needs more than 10% of the available
> floor space for short term storage, he/she must announce his
> intentions to the membership".  In that case, I'd think it's 10% for
> the project, no matter how many members are involved -- the concern is
> how much floor space we've lost.
> And you're right that we're going to have some case-by-case decisions.
> There's no way to predict every case that will come up.
> Thanks for your comments.  It's probably about time for me to write a 
> summary.
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Taper Wickel <EMAIL HIDDEN 
> <mailto:EMAIL HIDDEN>> wrote:
> > Speaking as someone who abuses the current storage regime --
> >
> >
> > It all looks reasonable to me.  I do wonder where the line
> > would get drawn between project and loaned/donated
> > equipment? The vacuum former is an obvious example, but I
> > was also thinking of a if-we-had-more-space build of a
> > holography sand table; is it a project until it's done, and
> > then it's equipment?  Also -- if multiple members are
> > working on a project, does that get more space than a
> > single-member project?
> >
> > This may be just a case-by-case thing and not need hard
> > limits, but I figured I'd bring up the questions.
> >
> >
> >
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