[EMS Discuss] idea...? :D

Mr. Clif clif at eugeneweb.com
Sun Oct 20 12:32:28 PDT 2013

On 10/20/2013 11:56 AM, James Hukill wrote:
> Cliff,
> Excellent and thanks again for all the hard work on and coordinating 
> the new shop hunting.

Boy, what a slog, but You are very welcome :-)

> Other topic (sponsorship, grants, endowments)
> Is this exclusive to the EMS board or can other members take 
> initiative and seek grants/endowments/sponsors and donations?  Are 
> there items in the bylaws preventing multiply sources of income in 
> this manner or does it require a board member to make these decisions?

The board welcomes and encourages all the participation it can get. :-) 
Spontaneous activities are great, though to have a bit more coordination 
(read effectiveness) forming a committee  is probably a good way to go. 
Specifically, yes please "take initiative and seek 
grants/endowments/sponsors and donations."

I think that yes, all donations probably have to be approved by the 
board. Certainly any that have strings attached. Though there is nothing 
preventing multiple sources of income.

> Also, is this something that is a "board function",  to coordinate 
> these duties?  example:
> I think I remember that we got some Teensy boards from Paul.  Did we 
> ever do anything with them post/brag about them or say thanks in a 
> public way to return the favor?  He has come out with the 3.0 
> <http://www.pjrc.com/store/teensy3.html> and I don't think we got one, 
> could be we did not follow up with the one we got.

Yes it would be better if the board was a bit stronger in outreach, PR, 
and thanking our contributors. However our members could take the 
initiative and do a lot of that too. As long as you're not committing 
the organization to anything, only the board can do that.

Hey James, thanks for the stimulating discussion on some very important 


> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com 
> <mailto:clif at eugeneweb.com>> wrote:
>     Yes very true James,
>     this is why we are moving. Look toward the future. ;-) I would be
>     happy to have a sponsor James, and I think some competition would
>     be great as a sponsored activity. However it should be at our shop
>     and ideally it should bring more people there. Now, I'll admit
>     I've been more interested in applying for grants than looking for
>     sponsors that is my bias. I have even done some quick googles for
>     grants we might qualify for when I was board, but currently
>     landing a new space takes most of my time. However I now know of
>     two grant writers in our community that might be available to help
>     if we ask them nicely.
>         Clif
>     On 10/20/2013 11:27 AM, James Hukill wrote:
>>     I would be shocked if anyone wants to use our current space as a
>>     meeting room and pay for it.
>>     So if you don't like the idea of having a meeting at a sponsor
>>     site, how about an event or competition of some sort?  Fastest
>>     beer chilling contraption or beer pouring bot?  What are your
>>     limits for what EMS would do or with a sponsor?
>>     I get you don't want one but there are possible enough members
>>     that do so what the middle ground?
>>     On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com
>>     <mailto:clif at eugeneweb.com>> wrote:
>>         I'm thinking instead of holding our meetings somewhere else
>>         and asking for sponsorship how about renting out our meeting
>>         room and getting extra money for that from other groups each
>>         month? That might even bring in more money and certainly get
>>         people down to our actual space not somewhere else.
>>             Clif
>>         On 10/20/2013 11:14 AM, James Hukill wrote:
>>>         I totally agree that (IMHO) we can/should seek some
>>>         sponsorship.  The topic has come up before and there are
>>>         some senior members with valid points about making sure it's
>>>         done tastefully.  The example (to take it to the extreme for
>>>         the point) is they do not want the shop to look like NSCAR.
>>>          I get that 100% and agree.  There has to be some middle
>>>         ground though.
>>>         But, cart before the horse?.. When do we wait if at all to
>>>         ask for some sponsorship?  What do we have to offer in
>>>         return? Do we do it before we move?
>>>         Simple example would be something like HopValley or Ninkasi.
>>>          We offerer to hold our membership meetings on site with
>>>         them.  Most of us go and and have a drink now and again so
>>>         might as well spend it with them.  They give EMS money and
>>>         in return they know we will be onsite for a member meeting
>>>         once a month that will bring them in x amount of $$.
>>>          Stickers at the shop with their logo, and or some type of
>>>         newsletter with their logo name as a Sponsor...
>>>         On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Austin McKimmey
>>>         <amckimmey at gmail.com <mailto:amckimmey at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>             I feel like we have discussed membership cost increasing
>>>             many times before. I don't think it has ever ended in
>>>             any actual consideration to change anything though.
>>>             There are some of us, me included in not embarrassed to
>>>             say, that $25 is a hell of a lot to pay already. There
>>>             would have to be a much larger space and brand new shiny
>>>             tools there for me to consider paying any more.
>>>             Everyone has heard me say this before. I personally
>>>             think, if we have a presentable space. Not something
>>>             full of junk and rusty tools. We could start asking for
>>>             sponsorship funding from local businesses.
>>>             There is a lot we can do.
>>>             Austin
>>>             On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:06 AM, James Hukill
>>>             <James at hukill.net <mailto:James at hukill.net>> wrote:
>>>                 I agree, but, there has to be some value add for the
>>>                 increase dues.  Bigger space with more room and not
>>>                 a project dump (aka bike cart overdue for going
>>>                 away) site is a start.
>>>                 We might chase folks away and there are some current
>>>                 members that the current dues are already at their
>>>                 max.  The idea of some shop work credit has been
>>>                 thrown about but I never heard what he board had to
>>>                 say about it(?).  If you are at your max dues then
>>>                 you have open and close the open house nights or
>>>                 other shop duties,  well lets be honest chores for
>>>                 lack of a better term.  The shit no one wants to due
>>>                 but needs to get done and if that helps you stay in
>>>                 at a price you can afford I am all for that.
>>>                 But more to the point you were working on. Better
>>>                 tools, toys and resources for current and a draw for
>>>                 future members.  IMHO I think a new space will breed
>>>                 some new enthusiasm into the shop and might bring
>>>                 some life back into EMS.. who knows...
>>>                 Is there a list of tools we want/need anymore?  It
>>>                 used to be on the whiteboard and was supposed to get
>>>                 transferred to a  inventory system that was going
>>>                 online?  That I was Kassandra I think.  Do we have a
>>>                 location for groups projects and their status?
>>>                 On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Cord Slatton
>>>                 <cord42 at gmail.com <mailto:cord42 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                     Recently Marie came across an article that
>>>                     explained Makerspaces and their costs and gave a
>>>                     range of services etc. for a variety of areas
>>>                     and uses...The lowest membership dues even
>>>                     listed were $35/month. Maybe we need to increase
>>>                     our dues just slightly to give us more
>>>                     flexibility and to allow us to invest in
>>>                     ourselves and have better equipment and a better
>>>                     location.
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