[EMS Discuss] Help us find a new home!

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The third space was pretty good, except it does have an apartment attached to one wall with a door directly into the
shop.  We're waiting to hear what the cost of that is as well, as it will be available at the same time.

> Thanks for checking those places out guys.  Based on the photos and Clif's
> notes, I think that third space looks the most promising for us.  It has a
> larger shop area and a couple smaller offices.  The location isn't that
> great but it's pretty close to where we are now so I would think it won't
> result in losing members.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Mr. Clif <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>
>>  Hi Gang,
>>
>> Ok Darrell and I looked at a few more spaces today and I just Now, got
>> done updating the notes and sorting the pictures. There are some silent
>> vids in there too to give you a good feel of the layouts.
>>
>> The largest one is 540 Grant:
>> http://www.eugeneweb.com/gallery2/v/clif/Geeky/EMS/540Grant/
>> Isn't really insulated and needs a bathroom but it is DOWNTOWN.
>>
>> Here are two that we can afford right now (more or less ;-) :
>>
>>  $935 2525ft² 37c / sqft - 115 Wallis St #B
>>
>>    - Flier:
>> 115WallisLEASE9-8-13.pdf<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/115WallisLEASE9-8-13.pdf>Note
>> the address IS 115 Wallis
>>    - Not much shop power, electric heat no office space.
>>    - Pictures:
>>    http://www.eugeneweb.com/gallery2/v/clif/Geeky/EMS/115WallisB/
>>
>>  $1295 3280ft² 40c / sqft - 115 Wallis St #C
>>
>>    - Flier: See above
>>    - Four offices, and for extra there is an attached apartment. This
>>    could be a minus.
>>    - Not much shop power, and electric heat, but has a really nice Engine
>>    hoist.
>>    - Large park like fields down the street.
>>    - Pictures:
>>    http://www.eugeneweb.com/gallery2/v/clif/Geeky/EMS/115WallisC/
>>
>>  As always the complete story is here:
>>
>> https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch
>>
>>
>>     Ciao,
>>     Clif
>>
>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I have a spread sheet. I've assumed we have 28 members. That and the
>> pledges so far get us to a deficit of about $370 / month for a $1400
>> property with $100 / mo Utils.
>>
>>     Clif
>>
>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>
>> Do we have a total of all the money we know we have, and then all the
>> money
>> that has been pledged on top of that?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN><EMAIL HIDDEN>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gang,
>>
>> Well we seem to have found all the properties that are currently available
>> so now we should try to choose one, as a few have been snatched up
>> already.
>> I just looked at a new one that is very cheep but has no rest room, so we
>> probably are not interested.
>>
>> So right now I think we need to try to get some more pledges for extra
>> money so we have some choices.
>>
>> There are a couple of new spaces that are interesting, One is 870 W. 2nd
>> in the Whit which is funky but cool, and the other one is 2101 W 10th ave.
>> (Next to the old Next Step store). That one would only be possible if they
>> came down in price for us.
>>
>> Please take a look at the pictures and video walk throughs (Darrell asked
>> me to remove the sound), and let us know what you think.
>>
>> As always the latest info is here: https://www.eugenemakerspace.**
>> com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch
>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch><https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch>
>>
>> Oh and please keep those pledges coming! :-)
>>
>>
>>      Ciao,
>>      Clif
>>
>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>
>> Yep,
>>
>> a train came by while I was there. ;-)
>>
>> So we're looking at four places today anyone else want to join us? Looks
>> like this afternoon unless more than one wants to do it this morning.
>>
>>      Clif
>>
>> EMAIL HIDDEN wrote:
>>
>> Cool, the one in the Whit is down by the tracks.  I bet no one complains
>> about noise, there, ever.  Doesn't look like
>> it has any office space, or at least none is mentioned. :-)
>>
>> Decent location.  It helps being nearby and nearly equidistant to three
>> brew pubs.  Well recessed off any main street,
>> however.
>>
>> I will predict that Cord will like the location, at least.  ;-)
>>
>>   Hi Guys,
>>
>> The nice Realtor for the Franklin space sent me some other
>> possibilities. There were some that were around $2000 / mo which I
>> ignored. I'll ask her if the owners of any of those might come down in
>> price for a cool non-profit. Here is the short list for the new ones:
>>
>> # $1000 / 2325ft² 43c / sqft - 710 Commercial st. St # 103
>>
>>     * Flier: 710_Commercial.pdf
>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>> NewSpaceSearch/710_Commercial.**pdf
>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/710_Commercial.pdf><https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/710_Commercial.pdf>
>>     * Almost as far as the Danebo space.
>>
>> # $1125 / 2500ft² 45c / sqft - 870 W. 2nd (in the Whitaker X Adams.)
>>
>>     * Flier: 870_W_2nd.pdf
>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>> NewSpaceSearch/870_W_2nd.pdf
>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/870_W_2nd.pdf><https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/870_W_2nd.pdf>
>>     *
>>
>> # $1200 / 4400ft² 27c / sqft - 4068 Stewart Rd.
>>
>>     * Flier: 4068_Stewart_Rd.jpeg
>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>> NewSpaceSearch/4068_Stewart_**Rd.jpeg
>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/4068_Stewart_Rd.jpeg><https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/4068_Stewart_Rd.jpeg>
>>     * A bit farther than Obie.
>>
>> # $1250 / 3000ft² 42c / sqft - 645 Powers Street, Suite J
>>
>>     * Flier: 645_Powers.pdf
>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>> NewSpaceSearch/645_Powers.pdf
>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/645_Powers.pdf><https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/645_Powers.pdf>
>>     *
>>
>> # $2017 / 4203ft² 48c / sqft - 2101 W 10th ave. (Next to the old Next
>> Step
>> store)
>>
>>     * Flier: 2101_W_10th.pdf
>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>> NewSpaceSearch/2101_W_10th.pdf
>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/2101_W_10th.pdf><https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/2101_W_10th.pdf>
>> **>
>>
>>     * They would have to come down in price substantially
>>
>>
>> As always you can see them on our New Space page here:
>>
>> https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch
>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch><https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch>
>>
>> I'm going to drive by them now and tomorrow we could have her show us
>> the interesting ones. Anyone want to join me then?
>>
>>        Ciao,
>>        Clif
>>
>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>
>> Hi gang,
>>
>> The nice lady at the city planning office called me this morning with
>> some more info:
>>
>> The City planing office would like to put us in the Specialized
>> education category. That would allow us to chose from many zones such
>> as C2, C3, I1, I2, or I3. As you might imagine these are essentially
>> all the non-residential zones in Eugene.
>>
>> if we need to change anything in the building that requires a building
>> permit then that might trigger a change of use permit or the resulting
>> review process. This would probably result in a change to the number
>> of vehicle or bicycle parking spots we need.
>>
>> Though as a Specialized education org we need to have one parking
>> space for every 3.5 "students", and one bicycle spot for every 5
>> "students" who are there on average during a open hack night. Now 25%
>> of these bicycle parking spots must be for full time "students" or
>> "faculty" a full time parking slot is dry and lockable.
>>
>> If we grow over the first break point which I think is 50 members,
>> then we might also need to talk with public works. based on our use
>> and number of students. One bathroom would probably not be enough.
>> Same goes for building exits etc...
>>
>> So far this all sounds fairly reasonable and it sounds like they want
>> to be helpful. I'm not as sure about the category they put us in but I
>> guess it works for now, and dovetails nicely with what Kiki is doing.
>>
>>       Clif
>>
>> Greg Norman wrote:
>>
>> I like this analysis.
>>     Greg Norman
>>
>> From: Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN> <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>> To: Rick Osgood<EMAIL HIDDEN**com<EMAIL HIDDEN><EMAIL HIDDEN>
>> Cc: "EMAIL HIDDEN" <EMAIL HIDDEN>**
>> <EMAIL HIDDEN> <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [EMS Discuss] Help us find a new home!
>>
>>
>> Wow Rick thats quite an essay! :-) Thanks for taking the time to put
>> all
>> that down on paper.
>>
>> I just was down at the city planner's office and the lady there gave
>> me
>> lots of good info. Of course some of it was geared to get people like
>> us
>> to file for permits so they can earn some more money, so with that in
>> mind here is what I learned...
>>
>> That nose ordinance applies pretty much everywhere, specifically at
>> both
>> these places. After 10 PM anyone could call in a complaint, and I
>> believe that if it's the second one in a year that they can fine you.
>> The first time you can probably get away with saying that it was the
>> last renter before you that did it. The second time would be your
>> first
>> time, and then the third time (within a year) you would get fined.
>> They
>> start about $450 for the first one and $800 something for the second
>> according to the lady there. So you really don't want to be close to
>> someone who complains.
>>
>> Parking is another issue, they want to see so many parking spaces per
>> some amount of sqft of floor space (that could be occupied by a
>> person)
>> so space that is used only for storage doesn't count. They are not
>> sure
>> how they would label us but if we were artists then its about one
>> parking slot for about every $250 / sqft. If we are manufacturing then
>> its one for every 550 sqft. Bigger numbers are better because you need
>> fewer parking spaces, and if you have them then in the cities eyes we
>> arn't breaking any laws. Now the 1010 Grant space dosn't "Own" all the
>> slots in front of it. The city has some of those as part of the
>> easement
>> so only three are actually ours. Though I don't really think anyone
>> would complain if we were just parking in that area in front. If there
>> were lots of cars in front of houses then yes it would be a problem.
>> The
>> W 7th property does have lots of parking even in the cities eyes.
>>
>> I agree with Rick that we want to build our community, that's one
>> reason
>> we're moving. If we are successful and continue growing, then
>> eventually
>> we will have to move again. The question is will that time be forced
>> on
>> us by the city or at our own choosing?
>>
>> PS: we can find out a lot of this info on http://rlid.org/however it
>> costs a lot darn! :-(
>>
>>        Clif
>>
>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure we should count the noise ordinance thing until after
>> you hear
>> back and find out if it actually applies.  When considering
>> locations, I
>> think it's important to consider the purpose of Eugene Maker Space.
>> Each
>> member may have a different opinion about what purpose(s) we have,
>> and
>> which are more important.  But here is what I think EMS's goals
>> should be,
>> in order of what I think is most important to least important (It's
>> a close
>> tie between all three though).
>>
>> 1) Strive to provide resources (space and tools) for people to build
>> anything they can imagine.
>> 2) Build a fun and healthy community of makers/hackers who hang out,
>> work
>> together, share knowledge.
>> 3) Work within the local community (Eugene/Springfield) to help
>> promote
>> making, engineering, etc.
>>
>> I really like both spaces but neither are perfect.  With those three
>> missions in mind, if I had to choose one space I think I would
>> actually end
>> up choosing the 1010 grant space.  Here's why.  The W 7th space
>> really
>> helps us with Mission #1.  But in terms of Mission #2, I don't think
>> it
>> puts us in any better situation than we are now, and personally I
>> think we
>> need to improve our community.  I think the Grant space will help us
>> improve both #1 and #2.  It may not help out #1 as much as the W 7th
>> space,
>> but I think it has a better balance between the two and regardless
>> we'll be
>> better off with than we are now on both fronts.  I think it is better
>> suited to build our community, and that's something we REALLY need
>> if we
>> want EMS to grow into a bigger space.  I fear that the W 7th space
>> will be
>> a great workshop but it won't promote the community hangout aspect we
>> really need to improve.  As for Mission #3, I think the Grant space
>> in it's
>> current form is better suited for this too.  With separate quiet
>> rooms we
>> will be better able to host events at EMS or even to allow other
>> organizations to hold events within our own space.  It also has a
>> nice
>> kitchen area we can use when hosting events to keep food and drink
>> separate
>> from the dirty shop.  These things can really help us make strong
>> ties with
>> the rest of the Eugene community.
>>
>> That's the bottom line for me.  For more details about what things I
>> like
>> and dislike about each space, keep reading.  But the important bit
>> is above
>> so if you are already bored feel free to stop here ;)
>>
>> The W 7th space is a good option but we'd have to spend time and
>> money (who
>> has either?) to fix the gate issues so our members can get in
>> off-hours.
>>      We also only have one small office which means if we want divided
>> space we
>> need to build it ourselves (more time and money).  I fear that one
>> reason
>> we don't retain new people is because they walk into our current
>> space and
>> they are immediately placed into a dirty workshop environment.
>> There's no
>> clean or quiet area for them.  We can't ease them into the space.
>> The W
>> 7th space is the exact same way.  Also, while I love the feeling of
>> high
>> ceilings, the huge space will be very inefficient to heat.  If we had
>> smaller hang out rooms to compensate we might be OK, but it's tough
>> to want
>> to go down to EMS on open hack night when I know I'm going to just
>> sit
>> around and freeze.
>>
>> The 1010 Grant space is not in a very good location, in that there
>> is an
>> apartment literally on top of it and a house 3 feet from the main
>> wall.
>>      Also the divisions are laid out strangely and some of the rooms
>> are likely
>> too small to be useful to us.  While we do have permission to move
>> walls,
>> it will take more time and money to fix.  Plus the electrical stuff
>> we move
>> has to be up to code.  It has a good sized bay door, but it's not at
>> street
>> level so we'll have to build a big ramp to get vehicles in.  More
>> time and
>> money spent.
>>
>> With all the negative things out of the way, here's a simple list of
>> all
>> the things I really like about each space.
>>
>> W 7th:
>> - Big ceilings and open space make me feel like I can build anything
>> - Pretty good parking
>> - Right next to Home Depot (for supplies and for advertising events)
>> - 16 foot roll up door to get big projects in and out
>>
>> 1010 Grant:
>> - Space is already divided into offices and work space
>> - Has an entry area that may be more welcoming to new visitors
>> rather than
>> dumping them right into a dirty shop
>> - Probably enough street parking
>> - Park right across the street
>> - Right off West 11th
>> - Kitchen area
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN><EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>   wrote:
>>
>>   I'm sorry, I don't really know which one I would like better, and
>>
>> yes I
>> might have subconsciously worded it that way. However those are the
>> facts
>> as I know them. I do have a call into the planning department to
>> double
>> check the noise ordnance.
>>
>> Anyway they have a lot of simularities I know you like 1010 Grant,
>> and
>> Darrel likes W 7th. I could be happy with either I think.
>>
>>          What about the rest of us?
>>
>>          Clif
>>
>> Cord Slatton wrote:
>>
>>   Sounds like you are pushing hard for the w. 7th....? That email
>>
>> you just
>> sent is worded to push people towards it.
>> On Sep 16, 2013 1:13 PM, "Mr. Clif"<EMAIL HIDDEN><EMAIL HIDDEN>
>> wrote:
>>
>>      So I think we should take an informal poll on how we feel about
>> our two
>>
>> top spaces, which seem to be the W 7th, and 1010 Grant spaces.
>>
>> They are the same square footage, and probably around the same
>> price, but
>> the 1010 Grant space is carved up in to lots of office space, and
>> may
>> have
>> a nose limit after ten. The insulation is probably good on both
>> buildings.
>> The W7th one has gas heat and high ceilings, and the 1010 Grant
>> space has
>> lower ceilings but electric? heat So would the heating bill be a
>> wash? We
>> have some example amounts for the W 7th place at least. The 1010
>> grant
>> space may have more walk by traffic but not sure if it's the
>> people you
>> want. The W 7th place is across the street from Home Depot.
>>
>> What do you guys think? Should we take a straw poll?
>>
>>          Clif
>>
>>
>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>
>>      Hi Gang,
>>
>> I got the rest of the questions answered. here they are:
>>
>> 1010 Grant Qs
>>          Can we move walls? -- Yes.
>>          Maximum repair costs we would be responsible for? -- Yes
>> we can cap
>> it, eg. Negotiable.
>>              Modified Gross; Would consider triple net as a way of
>> reducing
>> costs to both parties.
>>          Will it remain up for sale? -- Only until someone rents
>> it.
>>          What are the options on the lease term? -- 1 year; would
>> consider 6
>> mo.
>>          How is it zoned? -- S-C/C-2 (From Rick)
>>          Thoughts on late night noise limits? -- It has filled
>> Cinder block
>> construction.
>>              If you strategically place the noisy tools it might
>> help.
>>              The Realtor believes the 10 PM noise ordinance does
>> apply. We
>> need to double check on this.
>>
>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>
>>      Hi Gang,
>>
>> Well I composed my list of questions and called them today but
>> the
>> Realtor in charge, is not around until next Monday. I did get a
>> couple
>> of answers though.
>>
>> 1010 Grant Qs
>>          Can we move walls? -- Yes.
>>          Maximum repair costs we would be responsible for? -- NA
>>          Will it remain up for sale? -- Until someone rents it.
>>          What are the options on the lease term? 6 Mo? -- NA
>>          How is it zoned? -- S-C/C-2 (From Rick)
>>          Thoughts on late night noise limits? -- NA
>>
>> On Monday we should get the rest of the NAs.
>>
>>          Ciao!
>>          Clif
>>
>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>
>>      I think you guys were going to send me the questions so I
>> didn't
>>
>> forget any. :-)
>>
>>          Clif
>>
>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>
>>      Sam, most of the walls in the building can be moved and the
>>
>> management
>> company says that's ok for us to do.  So we do have some good
>> options for
>> reconfiguring the space.
>>
>> Clif, are you sending questions over to the management
>> company?  Did
>> you
>> want me or someone else to do that?  Do you remember all of
>> the
>> questions?
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Sam
>> Foster<EMAIL HIDDEN> <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>> wrote:
>>
>>        I couldn't make the viewing as it turned out, but from
>> the location
>>
>>   and
>>
>> look of the place it might be a winner. I think in any space
>> we
>> balance
>> making arbitrary amounts of noise at any time of day with the
>> location. The
>> floor plan does look a bit funky, but maybe some of those
>> walls are
>> simple
>> enough to (re)move? Either way, it checks my "need options
>> for
>> clean and
>> quiet work" box.
>>
>> Do I understand the whole building is up for sale though?
>> What's the
>> length of the lease and is that a concern? It would suck to
>> spend
>> time and
>> money refurbing and getting moved in only to have to move
>> again
>> when the
>> new owner makes new plans. Or perhaps the owner just needs
>> to get
>> money
>> flowing again and would take it off the market if we sign a
>> lease.
>>
>> /Sam
>>
>>
>> On 9/12/2013 11:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:
>>
>>        Here are my pictures of the 1010 Grant space, they are
>> unsorted
>>
>>   right now
>>
>> but I might be able to get to that later... :-)
>>
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>>
>>
>>            Clif
>>
>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>
>>        When we looked at this space yesterday I got the
>> feeling that we
>> all
>>
>>   really
>>
>> liked this space.  I just got a general good feeling from
>> everyone like
>> we
>> all thought it could work really well for EMS.
>>
>> Does anyone have anything negative to say about this space?
>> Personally,
>> the only things I can think of are having an apartment on
>> top of
>> the
>> space
>> and being right next to a residential house.  Other than
>> that I
>> really
>> like
>> this space.
>>
>>
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