[EMS Discuss] Whiteaker Shop Space for new Maker Space

James Hukill EMAIL HIDDEN
Fri Oct 4 12:42:32 PDT 2013


..and you could pull your Burning Man buss in to work on it does not hurt
either...   (wink).



On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Pat/Juke/Whatever... <EMAIL HIDDEN
> wrote:

> Oh, one other thought.
>
> You've probably discussed this ad nauseum, but I just want to mention that
> I think finding the right kind of cost/scale/benefits balance for
> membership (consider levels like Trial/Partial/Full Member/Sponsor/etc)
> could both increase membership and funding for shop and other items.
>
> If you offered it, I, for one,  would jump on a $250/year first year
> membership if it were offered...
>
>
> Chef Juke
> www.chefjuke.com
> "EVERYbody eats when they come to MY house!"
>
>
> Quoting "Pat/Juke/Whatever..." <EMAIL HIDDEN>:
>
>  All,
>>
>> Jumping in a little late here (and, also being a bit of a lurker on the
>> list, hope folks don't mind)
>>
>> An option that may be of interest is that I have a friend, Daniel (he's
>> come by to one or two open houses) that is looking for some shop space
>> as well.  IF there was the possibility in this or one of the other
>> possible locations for some personal space for his tools, he may be
>> able to contribute a more significant monthly amount $100-200) to the
>> rent.
>>
>> Is this an option the EMS would consider?
>>
>> If so, I would be happy to put everyone in touch to discuss.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Patrice
>> Chef Juke
>> www.chefjuke.com
>> "EVERYbody eats when they come to MY house!"
>>
>>
>> Quoting James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN>:
>>
>>  LOVE the Symantec bathroom reference.. Well done!
>>>
>>> Grants and sponsorship is a great idea, I have tried in the past and our
>>> 501c3 sponsor does slow things down in the area but does not make it
>>> impossible...
>>>
>>> Hop Valley in Springfield is a good friend of us Symantec folks (we call
>>> it
>>> building C as we have a building A and B)... and this proposed location
>>> is
>>> just around the corner so don't forget to add them to the list of people
>>> to
>>> hit up.  I know one of the owners a little (Jonas) so when ready I would
>>> be
>>> happy to him up...
>>>
>>> I love the excitement and enthusiasm for a new location.  Let's keep it
>>> up.
>>>
>>>
>>> --James
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Austin McKimmey <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  We could get large funds moving fast by promoting the space well, & that
>>>> we are moving to a new location. And offering  a discounted membership,
>>>> new
>>>> and old members. Like $250 for the first year if you pay in full right
>>>> then. Instead of $300. That would give us cash flow to through at the
>>>> new
>>>> place repairs. And hope that by the time that $50 we lost in membership
>>>> fees matters we have more members, because we have a larger more usable
>>>> space.
>>>>
>>>> We need a larger space to attract new members, but we need new members
>>>> to
>>>> fund the new space.
>>>>
>>>> Wood stove aside, gas, electric, or whatever we need is still an option.
>>>> EMS ponchos would be great.
>>>>
>>>> I just see a lot of potential in this space that we could really take
>>>> advantage of.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We also need to consider harder on grants and sponsorships. We could
>>>> have
>>>> the "Herman Miller" Conference Room. The "Ninkasi" Lounge Loft. "Jerry's
>>>> Home Improvement" Wood Shop. "Aprovecho" Wood Stove. "Symantec" Bathroom
>>>> "Arcimoto" Garage Door.
>>>>
>>>> These are all things that are possible. We just have to figure out the
>>>> plan then ask. It might work.
>>>>
>>>> I also think the idea of having to run new electricity kind of fun. I
>>>> have
>>>> never done it, but with guidance I could. That is if we are allowed to
>>>> do
>>>> that kind of stuff. We could actually make a space that doesn't use
>>>> power
>>>> strip into power strip for electricity. We can plan to have more then 1
>>>> 220v outlet. Like for Ricks Vacuum Table, our brand new Saw Stop table
>>>> saw,
>>>> wielding booth, And band new industrial laser cutter.
>>>>
>>>> These might be dreams now but I think it can happen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:11 PM, <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Funky and damp as it is, it is the best overall location so far and is
>>>>> a
>>>>> good size.  (I don't think the sizable
>>>>> upstairs office is even counted in the 2500.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I would caution against counting on wood heat, however.  Even if the
>>>>> landlord and his/her insurance company are
>>>>> amenable, the cost to acquire and install a stove big enough to make a
>>>>> difference in that large a space may be
>>>>> sizable.  (As far as I know, new legal installations of wood stoves are
>>>>> required to be of the modern catalytic style.)
>>>>> Also, I think Tom noted that the nearby wood scraps were mostly
>>>>> plywood,
>>>>> which should not be burnt.  Plus, there will
>>>>> be some days when wood heat will not be allowed due to air quality, but
>>>>> probably not too many.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Darrell
>>>>>
>>>>>  $100 split between 25 members is a small price to pay for twice the
>>>>>>
>>>>> space and a better location. The repairs and
>>>>>
>>>>>> improvements that we make will be one time costs that can occur when
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>
>>>>> have the means to pay for them. Regardless of
>>>>>
>>>>>> where we move, I think it's time to put our money where our mouthes
>>>>>>
>>>>> are... Monies where our mouth is?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Weston
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:03 AM, Rick Osgood <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also really like the Whiteaker space, based on the notes and what
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've seen of the photos.  There's a problem
>>>>>
>>>>>> though.  That space costs $1125 per month + utilities, internet, +
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> whatever it will cost to route/fix electrical and
>>>>>
>>>>>> build a wood stove, etc. We currently only have 21 paying members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's only $525 per month to pay for all of
>>>>>
>>>>>> that stuff.  Of course, we've had several members pledge to pay extra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> for a while if we move to a new space.  With
>>>>>
>>>>>> those pledges in mind, we still are around $100 short of having enough
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> money to only cover the rent/bills.  That
>>>>>
>>>>>> doesn't include and extra funds we would need to do repairs, run
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> electrical, etc.  We still need more pledges or
>>>>>
>>>>>> more regular income.  Either that or we need to get the price down on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the space.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  That being said, it's actually one of the less expensive places
>>>>>>> we've
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> looked at and actually had people like.  I'm
>>>>>
>>>>>> not trying to rain on everyone's parade.  If we like these spaces, we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> should go for it.  We just need to be aware
>>>>>
>>>>>> that we need more funding in order to actually sign any lease
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> documents.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Cord Slatton <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Weston and Austin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On Oct 3, 2013 12:18 AM, "Weston Turner" <EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am publicly casting my vote for the Whiteaker shop space to be our
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> new Maker Space location. I also request that
>>>>>
>>>>>> we put the top spaces to a vote (even if just an informal straw
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> poll).
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The whit shop has a chimney for a wood stove, and rumor has it that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> there is a wood shop next door with a dumpster
>>>>>
>>>>>> full of scrap wood. If we get a stove, that basically means we get
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> free heat during the winter. That would save us
>>>>>
>>>>>> a lot in utility costs. Plus, and most importantly, the space is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> really cool. And it's in the whit, regardless of
>>>>>
>>>>>> whether we have a storefront presence, I think we will get more
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> members and attention in that area. Who knows
>>>>>
>>>>>> maybe we could even get sponsored by Ninkasi (the Eugene brewery who
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sponsors the Portland hacker space).
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Weston
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