[EMS Discuss] Classes was: idea...? :D

Kassie EMAIL HIDDEN
Sun Oct 20 23:50:37 PDT 2013


I would love to talk michelle into a scroll saw series.  Trick with many classes is tools.  How to teach with one scroll saw?  Or woodworking with one table saw or one lathe.

I think it's all solvable problems.

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On Oct 20, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Austin McKimmey <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:

> I would love to lead some classes. Non computer related one, more hands on related ones.
> 
> Book making,
> Machine tool related things.
> Wood working
> Even some more arts and craft related ones.
> 
> Im not saying I could teach all these. Knowing I don't have any real teachable skills at wood working or machining things, but I would love to find people that do. and would spend the time helping out. 
> 
> 
> 
> And not quite class related, but I would love to implement more group project. I have plans and an idea for making an new large conference table and/or multiple nice tables for other locations. Instead of using cheap folding tables that people sit at with their computer.
> And other projects building things like furniture for whatever new space we get.
> 
> After saying that, it could still be a class of some sort. Group skill building classes.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Mr. Clif <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>> Yay Kassie, :-)
>> 
>> Check this out: "Classes provided more than 60-75 percent of the income for Artisan’s Asylum in its early stages, and are a fundamental part of almost all makerspaces I’ve ever seen." That is a quote from Gui Cavalcanti one of the co-founders of Artisan’s Asylum.
>> 
>> I just did the spread sheet for income and expenses and the biggest revenue stream by far... is classes, even if you only charge $15 / hour which is below market rate, and that is after you give half the income to the instuctror which is what Artisan’s Asylum did. Though I can't remember what models we came up with at a board meeting. Kassie knows though. ;-)
>> 
>> So the bottom line is if we have a good quiet classroom or rooms we can afford a bigger space. :-)
>> 
>>     Clif
>> 
>> On 10/20/2013 01:37 PM, Kassie wrote:
>>> 
>>> One thing the board has been working on is classes and the opportunity for member to teach.  The new space will make this idea become reality easier.
>>> 
>>> This will create three new perks for our members. One, the classes themselves. Two, the opportunity to make some money teaching. And three, members will have a discount on classes.
>>> 
>>> Additionally, this will create a new revenue stream for EMS for other benefits like tools.
>>> 
>>> Currently I'm leading this charge, so if you are interested in being a part let me know.  While its still early I would like to share some of the already intended classes.
>>> 
>>> Intro to blender and 3d modeling
>>> -focus on UI and basic animation 
>>> 
>>> Basic modeling in blender
>>> -covering basic modeling concepts
>>> 
>>> Modeling for 3d printers
>>> - learning to create 3d object that can be printed
>>> 
>>> Intro to Inkscape for cnc
>>> -focus on creating cnc objects using ponoko
>>> 
>>> Intro to gimp
>>> - focus on UI and basic photo manipulation.
>>> 
>>> Intro to the arduino 
>>> - creating a basic circuit that will be controlled by the arduino. Focusing on the workflow and coding.
>>> 
>>> Right now I can't say more, but I should be able to say more soon.
>>> 
>>> Kassie 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2013, at 12:32 PM, "Mr. Clif" <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 10/20/2013 11:56 AM, James Hukill wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cliff, 
>>>>> Excellent and thanks again for all the hard work on and coordinating the new shop hunting.
>>>> 
>>>> Boy, what a slog, but You are very welcome :-)
>>>> 
>>>>> Other topic (sponsorship, grants, endowments)
>>>>> Is this exclusive to the EMS board or can other members take initiative and seek grants/endowments/sponsors and donations?  Are there items in the bylaws preventing multiply sources of income in this manner or does it require a board member to make these decisions?
>>>> 
>>>> The board welcomes and encourages all the participation it can get. :-) Spontaneous activities are great, though to have a bit more coordination (read effectiveness) forming a committee  is probably a good way to go. Specifically, yes please "take initiative and seek grants/endowments/sponsors and donations."
>>>> 
>>>> I think that yes, all donations probably have to be approved by the board. Certainly any that have strings attached. Though there is nothing preventing multiple sources of income.
>>>> 
>>>>> Also, is this something that is a "board function",  to coordinate these duties?  example:
>>>>> I think I remember that we got some Teensy boards from Paul.  Did we ever do anything with them post/brag about them or say thanks in a public way to return the favor?  He has come out with the 3.0 and I don't think we got one, could be we did not follow up with the one we got.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes it would be better if the board was a bit stronger in outreach, PR, and thanking our contributors. However our members could take the initiative and do a lot of that too. As long as you're not committing the organization to anything, only the board can do that.
>>>> 
>>>> Hey James, thanks for the stimulating discussion on some very important isues!
>>>> 
>>>>     Clif
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Mr. Clif <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>>>> Yes very true James,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> this is why we are moving. Look toward the future. ;-) I would be happy to have a sponsor James, and I think some competition would be great as a sponsored activity. However it should be at our shop and ideally it should bring more people there. Now, I'll admit I've been more interested in applying for grants than looking for sponsors that is my bias. I have even done some quick googles for grants we might qualify for when I was board, but currently landing a new space takes most of my time. However I now know of two grant writers in our community that might be available to help if we ask them nicely.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     Clif
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/20/2013 11:27 AM, James Hukill wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would be shocked if anyone wants to use our current space as a meeting room and pay for it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So if you don't like the idea of having a meeting at a sponsor site, how about an event or competition of some sort?  Fastest beer chilling contraption or beer pouring bot?  What are your limits for what EMS would do or with a sponsor?  
>>>>>>> I get you don't want one but                                     there are possible enough members that do so what the middle ground?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Mr. Clif <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm thinking instead of holding our meetings somewhere else and asking for sponsorship how about renting out our meeting room and getting extra money for that from other groups each month? That might even bring in more money and certainly get people down to our actual space not somewhere else.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>     Clif
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 10/20/2013 11:14 AM, James Hukill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I totally agree that (IMHO) we can/should seek some sponsorship.  The topic has come up before and there are some senior members with valid points about making sure it's done tastefully.  The example (to take it to the extreme for the point) is they do not want the shop to look like NSCAR.  I get that 100% and agree.  There has to be some middle ground though.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> But, cart before the horse?.. When do we wait if at all to ask for some sponsorship?  What do we have to offer in return? Do we do it before we move?
>>>>>>>>> Simple example would be something like HopValley or Ninkasi.  We offerer to hold our membership meetings on site with them.  Most of us go and and have a drink now and again so might as well spend it with them.  They give EMS money and in return they know we will be onsite for a member meeting once a month that will bring them in x amount of $$.  Stickers at the shop with their logo, and or some type of newsletter with their logo name as a Sponsor... 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Austin McKimmey <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I feel like we have discussed membership                                                     cost increasing many times before. I don't think it has ever ended in any actual consideration to change anything though. There are some of us, me included in not embarrassed to say, that $25 is a hell of a lot to pay already. There would have to be a much larger space and brand new shiny tools there for me to consider paying any more.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Everyone has heard me say this before. I personally think, if we have a presentable space. Not something full of junk and rusty tools. We could start asking for sponsorship                                                       funding from local businesses.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> There is a lot we can do.
>>>>>>>>>> Austin
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:06 AM, James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree, but, there has to be some value                                                           add for the increase dues.  Bigger space with more room and not a project dump (aka bike cart overdue for going away) site is a start.
>>>>>>>>>>> We might chase folks away and there                                                           
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