[EMS Discuss] Classes was: idea...? :D
Tue Oct 22 07:06:58 PDT 2013
I like the idea of building decent furniture!
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Kassie <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
> I would love to talk michelle into a scroll saw series. Trick with many
> classes is tools. How to teach with one scroll saw? Or woodworking with
> one table saw or one lathe.
> I think it's all solvable problems.
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 20, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Austin McKimmey <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
> I would love to lead some classes. Non computer related one, more hands on
> related ones.
> Book making,
> Machine tool related things.
> Wood working
> Even some more arts and craft related ones.
> Im not saying I could teach all these. Knowing I don't have any real
> teachable skills at wood working or machining things, but I would love to
> find people that do. and would spend the time helping out.
> And not quite class related, but I would love to implement more group
> project. I have plans and an idea for making an new large conference table
> and/or multiple nice tables for other locations. Instead of using cheap
> folding tables that people sit at with their computer.
> And other projects building things like furniture for whatever new space
> we get.
> After saying that, it could still be a class of some sort. Group skill
> building classes.
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Mr. Clif <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>> Yay Kassie, :-)
>> Check this out: "Classes provided more than *60-75 percent* of the
>> income for Artisan’s Asylum in its early stages, and are a fundamental part
>> of almost all makerspaces I’ve ever seen." That is a quote from Gui
>> Cavalcanti one of the co-founders of Artisan’s Asylum.
>> I just did the spread sheet for income and expenses and the biggest
>> revenue stream by far... is classes, even if you only charge $15 / hour
>> which is below market rate, and that is after you give half the income to
>> the instuctror which is what Artisan’s Asylum did. Though I can't remember
>> what models we came up with at a board meeting. Kassie knows though. ;-)
>> So the bottom line is if we have a good quiet classroom or rooms we can
>> afford a bigger space. :-)
>> On 10/20/2013 01:37 PM, Kassie wrote:
>> One thing the board has been working on is classes and the opportunity
>> for member to teach. The new space will make this idea become reality
>> This will create three new perks for our members. One, the classes
>> themselves. Two, the opportunity to make some money teaching. And three,
>> members will have a discount on classes.
>> Additionally, this will create a new revenue stream for EMS for other
>> benefits like tools.
>> Currently I'm leading this charge, so if you are interested in being a
>> part let me know. While its still early I would like to share some of the
>> already intended classes.
>> Intro to blender and 3d modeling
>> -focus on UI and basic animation
>> Basic modeling in blender
>> -covering basic modeling concepts
>> Modeling for 3d printers
>> - learning to create 3d object that can be printed
>> Intro to Inkscape for cnc
>> -focus on creating cnc objects using ponoko
>> Intro to gimp
>> - focus on UI and basic photo manipulation.
>> Intro to the arduino
>> - creating a basic circuit that will be controlled by the arduino.
>> Focusing on the workflow and coding.
>> Right now I can't say more, but I should be able to say more soon.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Oct 20, 2013, at 12:32 PM, "Mr. Clif" <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>> On 10/20/2013 11:56 AM, James Hukill wrote:
>> Excellent and thanks again for all the hard work on and coordinating the
>> new shop hunting.
>> Boy, what a slog, but You are very welcome :-)
>> Other topic (sponsorship, grants, endowments)
>> Is this exclusive to the EMS board or can other members take initiative
>> and seek grants/endowments/sponsors and donations? Are there items in the
>> bylaws preventing multiply sources of income in this manner or does it
>> require a board member to make these decisions?
>> The board welcomes and encourages all the participation it can get. :-)
>> Spontaneous activities are great, though to have a bit more coordination
>> (read effectiveness) forming a committee is probably a good way to go.
>> Specifically, yes please "take initiative and seek
>> grants/endowments/sponsors and donations."
>> I think that yes, all donations probably have to be approved by the
>> board. Certainly any that have strings attached. Though there is nothing
>> preventing multiple sources of income.
>> Also, is this something that is a "board function", to coordinate
>> these duties? example:
>> I think I remember that we got some Teensy boards from Paul. Did we ever
>> do anything with them post/brag about them or say thanks in a public way to
>> return the favor? He has come out with the 3.0<http://www.pjrc.com/store/teensy3.html> and
>> I don't think we got one, could be we did not follow up with the one we got.
>> Yes it would be better if the board was a bit stronger in outreach, PR,
>> and thanking our contributors. However our members could take the
>> initiative and do a lot of that too. As long as you're not committing the
>> organization to anything, only the board can do that.
>> Hey James, thanks for the stimulating discussion on some very important
>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Mr. Clif <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>> Yes very true James,
>>> this is why we are moving. Look toward the future. ;-) I would be happy
>>> to have a sponsor James, and I think some competition would be great as a
>>> sponsored activity. However it should be at our shop and ideally it should
>>> bring more people there. Now, I'll admit I've been more interested in
>>> applying for grants than looking for sponsors that is my bias. I have even
>>> done some quick googles for grants we might qualify for when I was board,
>>> but currently landing a new space takes most of my time. However I now know
>>> of two grant writers in our community that might be available to help if we
>>> ask them nicely.
>>> On 10/20/2013 11:27 AM, James Hukill wrote:
>>> I would be shocked if anyone wants to use our current space as a meeting
>>> room and pay for it.
>>> So if you don't like the idea of having a meeting at a sponsor site, how
>>> about an event or competition of some sort? Fastest beer chilling
>>> contraption or beer pouring bot? What are your limits for what EMS would
>>> do or with a sponsor?
>>> I get you don't want one but there are possible enough members that do
>>> so what the middle ground?
>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Mr. Clif <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>> I'm thinking instead of holding our meetings somewhere else and asking
>>>> for sponsorship how about renting out our meeting room and getting extra
>>>> money for that from other groups each month? That might even bring in more
>>>> money and certainly get people down to our actual space not somewhere else.
>>>> On 10/20/2013 11:14 AM, James Hukill wrote:
>>>> I totally agree that (IMHO) we can/should seek some sponsorship. The
>>>> topic has come up before and there are some senior members with valid
>>>> points about making sure it's done tastefully. The example (to take it to
>>>> the extreme for the point) is they do not want the shop to look like NSCAR.
>>>> I get that 100% and agree. There has to be some middle ground though.
>>>> But, cart before the horse?.. When do we wait if at all to ask for
>>>> some sponsorship? What do we have to offer in return? Do we do it before
>>>> we move?
>>>> Simple example would be something like HopValley or Ninkasi. We
>>>> offerer to hold our membership meetings on site with them. Most of us go
>>>> and and have a drink now and again so might as well spend it with them.
>>>> They give EMS money and in return they know we will be onsite for a member
>>>> meeting once a month that will bring them in x amount of $$. Stickers at
>>>> the shop with their logo, and or some type of newsletter with their logo
>>>> name as a Sponsor...
>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Austin McKimmey <EMAIL HIDDEN>wrote:
>>>>> I feel like we have discussed membership cost increasing many times
>>>>> before. I don't think it has ever ended in any actual consideration to
>>>>> change anything though. There are some of us, me included in not
>>>>> embarrassed to say, that $25 is a hell of a lot to pay already. There would
>>>>> have to be a much larger space and brand new shiny tools there for me to
>>>>> consider paying any more.
>>>>> Everyone has heard me say this before. I personally think, if we have
>>>>> a presentable space. Not something full of junk and rusty tools. We could
>>>>> start asking for sponsorship funding from local businesses.
>>>>> There is a lot we can do.
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:06 AM, James Hukill <EMAIL HIDDEN>wrote:
>>>>>> I agree, but, there has to be some value add for the increase dues.
>>>>>> Bigger space with more room and not a project dump (aka bike cart overdue
>>>>>> for going away) site is a start.
>>>>>> We might chase folks away and there
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