[EMS Discuss] New Storage Rules for Eugene Maker Space

Wed Oct 30 13:59:08 PDT 2013

You and your fancy formats.... ;0)

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Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:38 PM
To: Rick Osgood
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Subject: Re: [EMS Discuss] New Storage Rules for Eugene Maker Space

Sorry.  .md is Markdown.  http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/
 If you don't have a Markdown reader, you can open it as a text file.
Meanwhile, here it is as a PDF file.

I'll wait until you've read the proposal before addressing your other comments.

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Rick Osgood <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
> First of all, what is a .md file?  I don't seem to have anything that 
> can open it and I'm not familiar with the extension.
> Second, I like this idea in general (based only on your summary).  I 
> get Sam's point that we might be restricting what activities will 
> occur at EMS based on who can afford to actually do those activities.  
> It seems a bit unfair that someone with more money essentially has 
> more options but honestly, we have to do SOMEthing.  We need to make 
> sure things don't just collect and sit around forever.
> How with the $2.50 be billed?  $2.50 per sqft per month? per week?  
> What if I only use the space for 1-2 weeks but you want to bill me per 
> month?  Do I have to pay for the whole month or do you pro-rate it so 
> I only pay for the time used?  What if it's 1.5 weeks? Do we go per 
> day at that point or round up to the nearest week/month?
> Also, what if someone wants to keep their large project out for three days?
> Two days are free, anything over that and we start charging money.  
> How much will we stick to our guns on that?  I can envision many cases 
> where someone's project sticks around an extra day or two.  Do we then 
> demand them to pay us $2.50 per square foot pro-rated or do we just let it go?
> I think it might be useful to include a provision that says the 
> board/membership can vote to approve larger projects with the 
> requirement that the motion includes a "review date".  That way if EMS 
> as an organization wants to work on or sponsor some large project, we 
> have a way to approve it.  Requiring the "review date" ensures that a 
> project which has gone stale or has lost momentum can be either booted 
> out or start paying rent.
> Lastly, EVERYTHING GETS A LABEL OR YOU LOSE IT!  I think this is fair but
> I'm curious about possible legal ramifications   I'm guessing we would only
> be able to get an answer to that by talking to a lawyer and we aren't 
> made of money so maybe we just have to consider it a disclaimer and 
> hope for the best.  Worth thinking about anyway though.
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Sam Foster <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:
>> I have mixed feelings about the storage proposal. I think in general 
>> I'm in favor, but the rates do put larger projects (e.g bike/trailer) 
>> out of reach of my budget. On the flip-side, I think its appropriate 
>> that the space
>> *not* be used for indefinite storage of materials/junk/inactive 
>> projects by members, so the rates are a reasonable deterrent (there's 
>> self-storage units for that). I assume these are the kind of 
>> considerations that led to the current proposal.
>> Somewhere in there I worry that we are putting a box around the kinds 
>> of things that can happen at the maker space. But I welcome the 
>> clarity and I assume no policies are set in stone from now till the end of time.
>> /Sam
>> On 10/30/2013 12:11 PM, Bob Miller wrote:
>>> At our membership meeting Dec. 8th, I am going to propose that we 
>>> adopt some rules about storage.  I have attached a document which 
>>> would amend the Policies Document.  I will propose that these rules 
>>> take effect January 1st.
>>> Since items up for vote have to be proposed 30 days ahead, we have 
>>> until 11/7 to discuss this and refine it.  Discuss/refine away!
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