[EMS Discuss] 175 S Danebo Pictures

Mr. Clif EMAIL HIDDEN
Thu Sep 5 19:25:16 PDT 2013


This is currently the best option that I know of. There are a couple of 
other places that I would like to see though. Here are the pictures:

http://www.eugeneweb.com/gallery2/v/clif/Geeky/EMS/175_Danebo/

     Ciao,
     Clif

Rick Osgood wrote:
>  From your description this space sounds pretty attractive!  Not "perfect"
> but we will almost definnitely have to compromise somewhere.  The price is
> definitely in the ballpark range.  Thanks for checking it out, I look
> forward to seeing photos.-
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>  wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> So James and I saw 175 Danebo today. And it was very attractive. I still
>> need to post the pictures but here is a quick summery.
>>
>> There is 2200 sqft of a kinda grungy car shop space with an additional 550
>> sqft of storage space some with shower stall sized "lockers". Also there is
>> the possibility of dividing the shop space with a roll-up door that is
>> there. There is lots of power in the shop, and they are willing to add a
>> couple of 220 Outlets if we need them. The concrete floor has some big
>> cracks and is not perfectly level, so don't trip on them. There is an
>> adjoining bathroom for the shop but that may be the only sink for the shop
>> area. This shop is not insulated and is on a separate electrical service so
>> any space heater you put in it is money out the window. Eg we pay the power
>> bill for the shop.
>>
>> You have to go outside to get to the office space but it's only 50ish feet
>> in the rain to get there. ;-) That space is about 1600 sqft divided up into
>> four offices and a large reception area, plus a bathroom and storage /
>> server room.  One office is quite large almost a community sized room at 16
>> x 16, which maybe shared using three desks. The rent is $1445 plus a fixed
>> $100 / mo for utils in the office space so that would be a total of $100 +
>> the power bill in the shop in utils. We can run cat 5 through the celling
>> Or perhaps use some of the mystery outlets that are already there.
>>
>> There are about 7 parking spaces in the back. It's definitely not close
>> that close to anything, and probably not bike friendly though I could ride
>> my bike there if I wanted some more exercise.
>>
>> I think Kevin said we could afford about $1000 a month in rent so about 5
>> of us would have to sign up for the extra until we had more members.
>>
>>      More later. :-)
>>      Clif
>>
>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>
>>> I am interested in looking at the spaces but like Sam I can't really make
>>> it unless it's after 5:00PM or on the weekends.  Don't hold anything up on
>>> my account, but if you can ever get a viewing during those times I'm happy
>>> to come check things out.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>   wrote:
>>>
>>>   Ok Meet me at 175 S. Danebo (Scientific Insterments) at 2:00 PM. :-)
>>>>       Clif
>>>>
>>>> James Hukill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   I am on that side of town so I can be there pretty quick..
>>>>> Just let me know, as long as I am home by 4pm (kids school, bla bla
>>>>> bla).
>>>>>
>>>>> --James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>    wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>    Ok what is a good time for you James? I will check and see if the
>>>>> correct
>>>>>
>>>>>> person is around then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for checking in Marie, and Bob. I think that for the first pass
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> want to see them as fast as we can and if you are available that is
>>>>>> great,
>>>>>> or you can also pick a place to look at on your own time frame and
>>>>>> invite
>>>>>> others to go with you. For the second pass we should definitely
>>>>>> schedule
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> a few days to a week in advance and try to get as many folks as
>>>>>> possible
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also I just drove by this place which I think is next to the silk
>>>>>> screen
>>>>>> or embroidery ladies place:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://eugene.craigslist.org/******off/4006736624.html<http://eugene.craigslist.org/****off/4006736624.html>
>>>>>> <http://**eugene.craigslist.org/**off/**4006736624.html<http://eugene.craigslist.org/**off/4006736624.html>
>>>>>> <http://**eugene.craigslist.**org/off/**4006736624.html<http://eugene.craigslist.org/off/**4006736624.html>
>>>>>> <http**://eugene.craigslist.org/off/**4006736624.html<http://eugene.craigslist.org/off/4006736624.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's upstairs so that might be a show stopper, not sure if the office
>>>>>> space in the picture is part of that or not because that part seems to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> downstairs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        Ciao!
>>>>>>        Clif
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James Hukill wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    I am in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "Mr. Clif"<EMAIL HIDDEN>     wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Hi Marie, and gang,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   We can view the 175 S. Danebo space anytime today before 4:00 PM. I'm
>>>>>>>> checking on some others as well. What time works for you guys?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm also wondering if I should just be contacting the people
>>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>> in the space search off list. I'm thinking those folks might be
>>>>>>>> Marie,
>>>>>>>> Sam,
>>>>>>>> Craig, James, and Bob. Though that is just wishful thinking, Marie is
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> only one so far who really said she was into it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you guys think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        Clif
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marie Slatton-Valle wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    Thanks for answering those questions Cliff.  Count me in for the
>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> future building visits or related meetings.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As far as shared spaces I know our group is open to sharing space.
>>>>>>>>>   I
>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>> Makerspace would be a good mix as there is a lot of overlap with the
>>>>>>>>> noise
>>>>>>>>> factor (industrial sewing machines) and other space requirements;
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> mention the current trends in fashion design with 3-D printing and
>>>>>>>>> etextiles.  I will bring it up at our next meeting this Friday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Hi Marie,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   here are some answers as I personally see them:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Marie Slatton-Valle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     I'm down to help on location scouting.  I've been scouting
>>>>>>>>>> similarly
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   sized
>>>>>>>>>>> locations for a garment production house and often think of EMS.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I looked over the space ratings doc in the wiki and just have a
>>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>>> questions.  1) Does EMS only want month-to-month leases or is
>>>>>>>>>>> something a
>>>>>>>>>>> little longer acceptable?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    Yes we did have a six month lease on our current space, and our
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>> draft proposal for a new space involves a 12 month lease.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         2) Does EMS need to be in an industrial zone or
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    is a commercial space okay?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    Commercial is slightly preferable because it usually implies a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> store
>>>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>>>> with display windows and a bit more foot traffic. However, the
>>>>>>>>>> trade-off is
>>>>>>>>>> that the cost per square foot is higher, and often more than we can
>>>>>>>>>> afford.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>        3) What is meant by noise limits on the space
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    ratings doc?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    Well we have noisy shop tools like grinders and say, a book
>>>>>>>>>>> store
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> quiet
>>>>>>>>>> office park might not like that. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      That's all I can think of for now.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help! It would be cool if a few of us could form an
>>>>>>>>>> informal group that looked at properties together. I'm interested
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> scheduling a visit to the danebo place next week. Are you
>>>>>>>>>> interested?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Also, has anyone read this Make
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> making-makerspaces-creating-a-**business-model/<http://makezine.com/2013/06/04/making-makerspaces-creating-a-business-model/>
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> Makerspaces as a business model?  Really solid, solid info.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    Right... I should read that. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Let me know what I can do to help.  Definitely down to scope
>>>>>>>>>> out a
>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   places.
>>>>>>>>>>>    So if you're looking for a sewing place would you be interested
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sharing
>>>>>>>>>> with EMS?? :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Marie
>>>>>>>>>>         Clif
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Rick Osgood<
>>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     While things may have calmed down around EMS lately since
>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   been out enjoying the summer weather, we are still looking for a
>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> home
>>>>>>>>>>>> to support our growing membership.  Looking at the survey results
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> member poll, the top three voted locations for EMS would be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Downtown Eugene followed by East Eugene or West Eugene (pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>> a tie
>>>>>>>>>>>> on those two)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The top features our members would like to see in a new space
>>>>>>>>>>>> are:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Larger shop space (we currently have 1000sqft)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The ability to subdivide the space to separate activities
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Larger office space for quiet/cleaner activities
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Within walking distance of local community
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We could really use help trying to find a space.  Our monthly
>>>>>>>>>>>> budget
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> new space will likely be between $1000 and $1300 per month.  That
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> require us to stretch our wallets when possible to make it
>>>>>>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>     We
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> a really nicely written proposal that includes clauses to ramp up
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> rent
>>>>>>>>>>>> and utilities costs over time, which means we might be able to
>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>> away
>>>>>>>>>>>> with something more expensive than this if we can grow our member
>>>>>>>>>>>> base to
>>>>>>>>>>>> match the rent increases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep in mind we may have to compromise on some of the features.
>>>>>>>>>>>>    For
>>>>>>>>>>>> example it will likely cost more to have more space, but it may
>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>> cost
>>>>>>>>>>>> more to be downtown.  We may have to make a trade off on space
>>>>>>>>>>>> versus
>>>>>>>>>>>> location.  If you can find a place that meets some variation of
>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>> criteria, please email EMAIL HIDDEN and let us
>>>>>>>>>>>> know!
>>>>>>>>>>>>     We
>>>>>>>>>>>> will get in touch with the owners and send them our proposal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Hopefully
>>>>>>>>>>>> having more people look for a space means we can find one more
>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for you help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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