[EMS Discuss] 175 S Danebo Pictures

James Hukill EMAIL HIDDEN
Thu Sep 5 19:30:12 PDT 2013


Thanks for posting these Cliff.

--James


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Mr. Clif <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:

> This is currently the best option that I know of. There are a couple of
> other places that I would like to see though. Here are the pictures:
>
> http://www.eugeneweb.com/**gallery2/v/clif/Geeky/EMS/175_**Danebo/<http://www.eugeneweb.com/gallery2/v/clif/Geeky/EMS/175_Danebo/>
>
>     Ciao,
>     Clif
>
> Rick Osgood wrote:
>
>>  From your description this space sounds pretty attractive!  Not "perfect"
>> but we will almost definnitely have to compromise somewhere.  The price is
>> definitely in the ballpark range.  Thanks for checking it out, I look
>> forward to seeing photos.-
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> So James and I saw 175 Danebo today. And it was very attractive. I still
>>> need to post the pictures but here is a quick summery.
>>>
>>> There is 2200 sqft of a kinda grungy car shop space with an additional
>>> 550
>>> sqft of storage space some with shower stall sized "lockers". Also there
>>> is
>>> the possibility of dividing the shop space with a roll-up door that is
>>> there. There is lots of power in the shop, and they are willing to add a
>>> couple of 220 Outlets if we need them. The concrete floor has some big
>>> cracks and is not perfectly level, so don't trip on them. There is an
>>> adjoining bathroom for the shop but that may be the only sink for the
>>> shop
>>> area. This shop is not insulated and is on a separate electrical service
>>> so
>>> any space heater you put in it is money out the window. Eg we pay the
>>> power
>>> bill for the shop.
>>>
>>> You have to go outside to get to the office space but it's only 50ish
>>> feet
>>> in the rain to get there. ;-) That space is about 1600 sqft divided up
>>> into
>>> four offices and a large reception area, plus a bathroom and storage /
>>> server room.  One office is quite large almost a community sized room at
>>> 16
>>> x 16, which maybe shared using three desks. The rent is $1445 plus a
>>> fixed
>>> $100 / mo for utils in the office space so that would be a total of $100
>>> +
>>> the power bill in the shop in utils. We can run cat 5 through the celling
>>> Or perhaps use some of the mystery outlets that are already there.
>>>
>>> There are about 7 parking spaces in the back. It's definitely not close
>>> that close to anything, and probably not bike friendly though I could
>>> ride
>>> my bike there if I wanted some more exercise.
>>>
>>> I think Kevin said we could afford about $1000 a month in rent so about 5
>>> of us would have to sign up for the extra until we had more members.
>>>
>>>      More later. :-)
>>>      Clif
>>>
>>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>
>>>  I am interested in looking at the spaces but like Sam I can't really
>>>> make
>>>> it unless it's after 5:00PM or on the weekends.  Don't hold anything up
>>>> on
>>>> my account, but if you can ever get a viewing during those times I'm
>>>> happy
>>>> to come check things out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Ok Meet me at 175 S. Danebo (Scientific Insterments) at 2:00 PM. :-)
>>>>
>>>>>       Clif
>>>>>
>>>>> James Hukill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   I am on that side of town so I can be there pretty quick..
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just let me know, as long as I am home by 4pm (kids school, bla bla
>>>>>> bla).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Ok what is a good time for you James? I will check and see if the
>>>>>> correct
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  person is around then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for checking in Marie, and Bob. I think that for the first
>>>>>>> pass
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> want to see them as fast as we can and if you are available that is
>>>>>>> great,
>>>>>>> or you can also pick a place to look at on your own time frame and
>>>>>>> invite
>>>>>>> others to go with you. For the second pass we should definitely
>>>>>>> schedule
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> a few days to a week in advance and try to get as many folks as
>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also I just drove by this place which I think is next to the silk
>>>>>>> screen
>>>>>>> or embroidery ladies place:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://eugene.craigslist.org/********off/4006736624.html<http://eugene.craigslist.org/******off/4006736624.html>
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>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's upstairs so that might be a show stopper, not sure if the office
>>>>>>> space in the picture is part of that or not because that part seems
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> downstairs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Ciao!
>>>>>>>        Clif
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James Hukill wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    I am in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "Mr. Clif"<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Hi Marie, and gang,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   We can view the 175 S. Danebo space anytime today before 4:00 PM.
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> checking on some others as well. What time works for you guys?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm also wondering if I should just be contacting the people
>>>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>>> in the space search off list. I'm thinking those folks might be
>>>>>>>>> Marie,
>>>>>>>>> Sam,
>>>>>>>>> Craig, James, and Bob. Though that is just wishful thinking, Marie
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> only one so far who really said she was into it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you guys think?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        Clif
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marie Slatton-Valle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Thanks for answering those questions Cliff.  Count me in for the
>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  and
>>>>>>>>>> future building visits or related meetings.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As far as shared spaces I know our group is open to sharing space.
>>>>>>>>>>   I
>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>> Makerspace would be a good mix as there is a lot of overlap with
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> noise
>>>>>>>>>> factor (industrial sewing machines) and other space requirements;
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> mention the current trends in fashion design with 3-D printing and
>>>>>>>>>> etextiles.  I will bring it up at our next meeting this Friday.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Marie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Hi Marie,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   here are some answers as I personally see them:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Marie Slatton-Valle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     I'm down to help on location scouting.  I've been scouting
>>>>>>>>>>> similarly
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   sized
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> locations for a garment production house and often think of EMS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked over the space ratings doc in the wiki and just have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>>>> questions.  1) Does EMS only want month-to-month leases or is
>>>>>>>>>>>> something a
>>>>>>>>>>>> little longer acceptable?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Yes we did have a six month lease on our current space, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  current
>>>>>>>>>>> draft proposal for a new space involves a 12 month lease.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         2) Does EMS need to be in an industrial zone or
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    is a commercial space okay?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Commercial is slightly preferable because it usually implies
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  store
>>>>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>>>>> with display windows and a bit more foot traffic. However, the
>>>>>>>>>>> trade-off is
>>>>>>>>>>> that the cost per square foot is higher, and often more than we
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> afford.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>        3) What is meant by noise limits on the space
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    ratings doc?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Well we have noisy shop tools like grinders and say, a book
>>>>>>>>>>>> store
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  or
>>>>>>>>>>> quiet
>>>>>>>>>>> office park might not like that. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      That's all I can think of for now.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help! It would be cool if a few of us could form
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> informal group that looked at properties together. I'm interested
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> scheduling a visit to the danebo place next week. Are you
>>>>>>>>>>> interested?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Also, has anyone read this Make
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> Makerspaces as a business model?  Really solid, solid info.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Right... I should read that. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>      Let me know what I can do to help.  Definitely down to
>>>>>>>>>>> scope
>>>>>>>>>>> out a
>>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   places.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    So if you're looking for a sewing place would you be
>>>>>>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  sharing
>>>>>>>>>>> with EMS?? :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Marie
>>>>>>>>>>>         Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Rick Osgood<
>>>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     While things may have calmed down around EMS lately since
>>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   been out enjoying the summer weather, we are still looking for
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  home
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to support our growing membership.  Looking at the survey
>>>>>>>>>>>>> results
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> member poll, the top three voted locations for EMS would be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Downtown Eugene followed by East Eugene or West Eugene (pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a tie
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on those two)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The top features our members would like to see in a new space
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Larger shop space (we currently have 1000sqft)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The ability to subdivide the space to separate activities
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Larger office space for quiet/cleaner activities
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Within walking distance of local community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We could really use help trying to find a space.  Our monthly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> budget
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new space will likely be between $1000 and $1300 per month.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  That
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> require us to stretch our wallets when possible to make it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     We
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a really nicely written proposal that includes clauses to ramp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and utilities costs over time, which means we might be able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> away
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with something more expensive than this if we can grow our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>>>> base to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> match the rent increases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep in mind we may have to compromise on some of the features.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    For
>>>>>>>>>>>>> example it will likely cost more to have more space, but it may
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more to be downtown.  We may have to make a trade off on space
>>>>>>>>>>>>> versus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> location.  If you can find a place that meets some variation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> criteria, please email EMAIL HIDDEN and let us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     We
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will get in touch with the owners and send them our proposal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Hopefully
>>>>>>>>>>>>> having more people look for a space means we can find one more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for you help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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