[EMS Discuss] 175 S Danebo Pictures

Mr. Clif EMAIL HIDDEN
Sun Sep 8 10:54:58 PDT 2013


Ok cool,

So lets take an informal poll to see how many think that 175 S Danebo 
wouldn't work for them and why.
This is your opportunity for input folks! :-)

     Thanks,
     Clif


Rick Osgood wrote:
> This space sounds like a really good option for us.  I think personally I'd
> rather it be one large space rather than two separate buildings... but I do
> agree that there may be benefits of having clean/dirty areas completely
> separate.  Heating may be one huge benefit in the winter time.  Hang out in
> the warmer office space and only spend time in the cold when working on
> dirty projects.  The price is just at the edge of our affordable range too.
>   I'm excited about this.
>
> Personally, it's a bit farther away from my house but it's also just off
> the freeway so I can probably actually get there in about the same amount
> of time.  It's farther away from downtown which is unfortunate but maybe
> the trade off is worth it.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:55 PM, James Hukill<EMAIL HIDDEN>  wrote:
>
>> The space is an upgrade from what we have.. but...
>> The "shop" is not in the same space (Cliff already said this) which can be
>> a good thing, loud messy projects wont interfere with anything going on in
>> the heated/AC office spaces, where quieter things can happen.  The heat/ac
>> is paid for by the owners on site, so we don't get to mess with it but
>> don't have to pay for it either.  The rest of the outlets go on our own
>> electric bill.
>> That's the rub. there is only one 'big' room with the reception desk in
>> the middle... meh take it out and patch the hole in the carpet good place
>> for a conference room/meeting space.  There are at least 2 good solid
>> offices with doors to rent and one other that would hold a few desk to have
>> for library, study, few desk spaces etc..  There was a utility closet for
>> server racks etc..
>>
>> Now back to the shop is HUGE.. with a upper storage area.  Just the shop
>> is 2x our current floor plan, and the upper deck storage is jaw dropping
>> compared to what we have now in fact just the upper deck feels about half
>> as big as our current space.  A nice opportunity to have member storage
>> space that is out of the way that no one would trip on and not eat up the
>> 'working space'.
>>
>> It's at the end of Beltline and West11th, so though not closer for anyone
>> but Bob and I, it does feed into major arteries and have mass trans (bike
>> paths too).
>>
>> I doubt the pictures do it justice but figured I would share some of my
>> impressions too.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>  wrote:
>>
>>> Yep they have a heat pump for the whole office building, but what that
>>> means is we can't muck with the thermostat or the receptionist will get
>>> very grumpy. ;-) Though the temp should be about right in the winter and
>>> the summer.
>>>
>>> Oh, strangly enough there are two 220 outlets in the reception room. They
>>> had some Uber espresso makers there a couple of tenets ago.
>>>
>>>      Clif
>>>
>>>
>>> EMAIL HIDDEN wrote:
>>>
>>>> And everyone told me "Stay off the pole!"  If I only knew...
>>>>
>>>> This place looks like a pretty good price/performance compromise.
>>>>   Though not convenient, it is not completely out of
>>>> the question by bicycle and is directly on a bus line.
>>>>
>>>> A little fugly and I dislike that the office is not attached.  In the
>>>> winter, however, it will be nice to be able to
>>>> hang out in a not-freezing room.  Looks like the office has a heat pump,
>>>> so for a lot of common activities we can be
>>>> fairly comfortable.
>>>>
>>>> -Darrell
>>>>
>>>>   Relevant video:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=P-O8_Ja05Gs<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-O8_Ja05Gs>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Ben
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:30 PM, James Hukill<EMAIL HIDDEN>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Thanks for posting these Cliff.
>>>>>> --James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>   wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   This is currently the best option that I know of. There are a couple
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> other places that I would like to see though. Here are the pictures:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.eugeneweb.com/****gallery2/v/clif/Geeky/EMS/175_**
>>>>>>> **Danebo/<http://www.eugeneweb.com/**gallery2/v/clif/Geeky/EMS/175_**Danebo/>
>>>>>>> <http://www.**eugeneweb.com/gallery2/v/clif/**Geeky/EMS/175_Danebo/<http://www.eugeneweb.com/gallery2/v/clif/Geeky/EMS/175_Danebo/>
>>>>>>>       Ciao,
>>>>>>>       Clif
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      From your description this space sounds pretty attractive!  Not
>>>>>>>> "perfect"
>>>>>>>> but we will almost definnitely have to compromise somewhere.  The
>>>>>>>> price
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> definitely in the ballpark range.  Thanks for checking it out, I look
>>>>>>>> forward to seeing photos.-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So James and I saw 175 Danebo today. And it was very attractive. I
>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>> need to post the pictures but here is a quick summery.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is 2200 sqft of a kinda grungy car shop space with an
>>>>>>>>> additional
>>>>>>>>> 550
>>>>>>>>> sqft of storage space some with shower stall sized "lockers". Also
>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>> the possibility of dividing the shop space with a roll-up door that
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> there. There is lots of power in the shop, and they are willing to
>>>>>>>>> add a
>>>>>>>>> couple of 220 Outlets if we need them. The concrete floor has some
>>>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>>> cracks and is not perfectly level, so don't trip on them. There is
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> adjoining bathroom for the shop but that may be the only sink for
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> shop
>>>>>>>>> area. This shop is not insulated and is on a separate electrical
>>>>>>>>> service so
>>>>>>>>> any space heater you put in it is money out the window. Eg we pay
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>>>> bill for the shop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You have to go outside to get to the office space but it's only
>>>>>>>>> 50ish
>>>>>>>>> feet
>>>>>>>>> in the rain to get there. ;-) That space is about 1600 sqft divided
>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>> four offices and a large reception area, plus a bathroom and
>>>>>>>>> storage /
>>>>>>>>> server room.  One office is quite large almost a community sized
>>>>>>>>> room
>>>>>>>>> at 16
>>>>>>>>> x 16, which maybe shared using three desks. The rent is $1445 plus a
>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>> $100 / mo for utils in the office space so that would be a total of
>>>>>>>>> $100 +
>>>>>>>>> the power bill in the shop in utils. We can run cat 5 through the
>>>>>>>>> celling
>>>>>>>>> Or perhaps use some of the mystery outlets that are already there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are about 7 parking spaces in the back. It's definitely not
>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>> that close to anything, and probably not bike friendly though I
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> ride
>>>>>>>>> my bike there if I wanted some more exercise.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think Kevin said we could afford about $1000 a month in rent so
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> 5
>>>>>>>>> of us would have to sign up for the extra until we had more members.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        More later. :-)
>>>>>>>>>        Clif
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    I am interested in looking at the spaces but like Sam I can't
>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>> it unless it's after 5:00PM or on the weekends.  Don't hold
>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>> up on
>>>>>>>>>> my account, but if you can ever get a viewing during those times
>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>> happy
>>>>>>>>>> to come check things out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Ok Meet me at 175 S. Danebo (Scientific Insterments) at 2:00
>>>>>>>>>> PM. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          Clif
>>>>>>>>>>> James Hukill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     I am on that side of town so I can be there pretty quick..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Just let me know, as long as I am home by 4pm (kids school, bla
>>>>>>>>>>>> bla
>>>>>>>>>>>> bla).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --James
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>      Ok what is a good time for you James? I will check and see
>>>>>>>>>>>> if the
>>>>>>>>>>>> correct
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    person is around then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for checking in Marie, and Bob. I think that for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to see them as fast as we can and if you are available
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> great,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or you can also pick a place to look at on your own time frame
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> invite
>>>>>>>>>>>>> others to go with you. For the second pass we should definitely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> schedule
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few days to a week in advance and try to get as many folks as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also I just drove by this place which I think is next to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> silk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or embroidery ladies place:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://eugene.craigslist.org/**********off/4006736624.html<http://eugene.craigslist.org/********off/4006736624.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <htt**p://eugene.craigslist.org/********off/4006736624.html<http://eugene.craigslist.org/******off/4006736624.html>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ht**tp://eugene.craigslist.org/****off/4006736624.html<http://eugene.craigslist.org/**off/4006736624.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://**eugene.craigslist.******org/off/**4006736624.html<**
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http**
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ://eugene.craigslist.org/off/******4006736624.html<http://eugene.craigslist.org/off/****4006736624.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://**eugene.craigslist.org/off/****4006736624.html<http://eugene.craigslist.org/off/**4006736624.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http**://eugene.craigslist.****org/off/**4006736624.html<http*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *://eugene.craigslist.org/off/****4006736624.html<http://eugene.craigslist.org/off/**4006736624.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http**://eugene.craigslist.**org/off/**4006736624.html<http://eugene.craigslist.org/off/**4006736624.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http**://eugene.craigslist.org/off/**4006736624.html<http://eugene.craigslist.org/off/4006736624.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's upstairs so that might be a show stopper, not sure if the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> office
>>>>>>>>>>>>> space in the picture is part of that or not because that part
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> downstairs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hukill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      I am in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "Mr. Clif"<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Hi Marie, and gang,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     We can view the 175 S. Danebo space anytime today before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4:00
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PM. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   checking on some others as well. What time works for you guys?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm also wondering if I should just be contacting the people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the space search off list. I'm thinking those folks might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig, James, and Bob. Though that is just wishful thinking,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marie is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only one so far who really said she was into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you guys think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marie Slatton-Valle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Thanks for answering those questions Cliff.  Count me in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future building visits or related meetings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as shared spaces I know our group is open to sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makerspace would be a good mix as there is a lot of overlap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor (industrial sewing machines) and other space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirements;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mention the current trends in fashion design with 3-D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> printing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etextiles.  I will bring it up at our next meeting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Hi Marie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     here are some answers as I personally see them:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Marie Slatton-Valle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       I'm down to help on location scouting.  I've been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scouting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similarly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     sized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   locations for a garment production house and often think of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EMS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked over the space ratings doc in the wiki and just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions.  1) Does EMS only want month-to-month leases or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little longer acceptable?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Yes we did have a six month lease on our current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft proposal for a new space involves a 12 month lease.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           2) Does EMS need to be in an industrial zone or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      is a commercial space okay?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Commercial is slightly preferable because it usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implies a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    store
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with display windows and a bit more foot traffic. However,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trade-off is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the cost per square foot is higher, and often more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afford.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          3) What is meant by noise limits on the space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ratings doc?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Well we have noisy shop tools like grinders and say, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office park might not like that. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        That's all I can think of for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help! It would be cool if a few of us could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal group that looked at properties together. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scheduling a visit to the danebo place next week. Are you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Also, has anyone read this Make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makerspaces as a business model?  Really solid, solid info.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Right... I should read that. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        Let me know what I can do to help.  Definitely down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     places.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       So if you're looking for a sewing place would you be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with EMS?? :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Marie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Rick Osgood<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       While things may have calmed down around EMS lately
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     been out enjoying the summer weather, we are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to support our growing membership.  Looking at the survey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member poll, the top three voted locations for EMS would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Downtown Eugene followed by East Eugene or West Eugene
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a tie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on those two)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The top features our members would like to see in a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Larger shop space (we currently have 1000sqft)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The ability to subdivide the space to separate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Larger office space for quiet/cleaner activities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Within walking distance of local community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We could really use help trying to find a space.  Our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monthly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> budget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new space will likely be between $1000 and $1300 per
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require us to stretch our wallets when possible to make it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a really nicely written proposal that includes clauses to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ramp up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and utilities costs over time, which means we might be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with something more expensive than this if we can grow our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> base to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> match the rent increases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep in mind we may have to compromise on some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example it will likely cost more to have more space, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more to be downtown.  We may have to make a trade off on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location.  If you can find a place that meets some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> criteria, please email EMAIL HIDDEN and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will get in touch with the owners and send them our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Hopefully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having more people look for a space means we can find one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for you help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **********_________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ********mailman/listinfo/com.****<http://eugenemakerspace.com/********mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <**http://eugenemakerspace.**com/****<http://eugenemakerspace.com/****>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ****mailman/listinfo/com.**<ht**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tp://eugenemakerspace.com/********mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/******mailman/listinfo/com.**>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com.**<http://**eugenemakerspace.com/********
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/******mailman/listinfo/com.**>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://**eugenemakerspace.com/******
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http**://eugenemakerspace.*****
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *****<http://eugenemakerspace.****
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com/****mailman/listinfo/com.******<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://eugenemakerspace.**com/****mailman/listinfo/com.**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **<http://eugenemakerspace.com/****mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://eugenemakerspace.com/***
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *****mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/******mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <h**ttp://eugenemakerspace.com/*****
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/****mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <htt**p://eugenemakerspace.**
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://eugenemakerspace.com/****mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/**mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:**********//
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.com/****<http**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ://eugenemakerspace.com/**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.**********
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/****mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:/**/eugenemakerspace.**
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://eugenemakerspace.com/****mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/**mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:******//
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.com/**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.******eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ****
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.**eugenemakerspace.discuss<http://eugenemakerspace.com/mailman/listinfo/com.eugenemakerspace.discuss>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **********_________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com.**<http://**eugenemakerspace.com/********
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://**eugenemakerspace.**com/******mailman/listinfo/**
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http**://eugenemakerspace.*****
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://eugenemakerspace.com/***
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *****mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/******mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <h**ttp://eugenemakerspace.com/*****
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/****mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <htt**p://eugenemakerspace.**
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:**********//
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.**com/*<http://eugenemakerspace.com/*>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***<http://eugenemakerspace.**com/**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.**********
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:****
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //eugenemakerspace.com/********mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/******mailman/listinfo/com.**>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/****mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:/**/eugenemakerspace.**
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://eugenemakerspace.com/****mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/**mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:******//
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.com/**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.******eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //eugenemakerspace.com/****mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/**mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:**//eugenemakerspace.com/**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.**eugenemakerspace.discuss<http://eugenemakerspace.com/mailman/listinfo/com.eugenemakerspace.discuss>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**********_________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   EMAIL HIDDEN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://eugenemakerspace.com/**********mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/********mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <**http://eugenemakerspace.com/****
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ****mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/******mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ht**tp://eugenemakerspace.**com/******mailman/listinfo/**
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.********eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:**
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.****eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //eugenemakerspace.com/**mailman/listinfo/com.**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.discuss<http://eugenemakerspace.com/mailman/listinfo/com.eugenemakerspace.discuss>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ______________________________********_________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN
>>>>>>>>>>> http://eugenemakerspace.com/********mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/******mailman/listinfo/com.**>
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>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.******eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:****
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>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:**//eugenemakerspace.com/**
>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.**eugenemakerspace.discuss<http://eugenemakerspace.com/mailman/listinfo/com.eugenemakerspace.discuss>
>>>>>>>>>>>    ______________________________******_________________
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN
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>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:****//eugenemakerspace.com/**
>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.****eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:**
>>>>>>>>> //eugenemakerspace.com/**mailman/listinfo/com.**
>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.discuss<http://eugenemakerspace.com/mailman/listinfo/com.eugenemakerspace.discuss>
>>>>>>>>>   ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>>> Discuss mailing list
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>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:**//eugenemakerspace.com/**
>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.**eugenemakerspace.discuss<http://eugenemakerspace.com/mailman/listinfo/com.eugenemakerspace.discuss>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   ______________________________**_________________
>>>>> Discuss mailing list
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