[EMS Discuss] 175 S Danebo Pictures

Cord Slatton EMAIL HIDDEN
Sun Sep 8 10:58:33 PDT 2013


It's too far out for me Marie. As well as all of the new members I'm trying
to attract who only use bicycles for transport.


On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Mr. Clif <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:

> Ok cool,
>
> So lets take an informal poll to see how many think that 175 S Danebo
> wouldn't work for them and why.
> This is your opportunity for input folks! :-)
>
>     Thanks,
>     Clif
>
>
> Rick Osgood wrote:
>
>> This space sounds like a really good option for us.  I think personally
>> I'd
>> rather it be one large space rather than two separate buildings... but I
>> do
>> agree that there may be benefits of having clean/dirty areas completely
>> separate.  Heating may be one huge benefit in the winter time.  Hang out
>> in
>> the warmer office space and only spend time in the cold when working on
>> dirty projects.  The price is just at the edge of our affordable range
>> too.
>>   I'm excited about this.
>>
>> Personally, it's a bit farther away from my house but it's also just off
>> the freeway so I can probably actually get there in about the same amount
>> of time.  It's farther away from downtown which is unfortunate but maybe
>> the trade off is worth it.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:55 PM, James Hukill<EMAIL HIDDEN>  wrote:
>>
>>  The space is an upgrade from what we have.. but...
>>> The "shop" is not in the same space (Cliff already said this) which can
>>> be
>>> a good thing, loud messy projects wont interfere with anything going on
>>> in
>>> the heated/AC office spaces, where quieter things can happen.  The
>>> heat/ac
>>> is paid for by the owners on site, so we don't get to mess with it but
>>> don't have to pay for it either.  The rest of the outlets go on our own
>>> electric bill.
>>> That's the rub. there is only one 'big' room with the reception desk in
>>> the middle... meh take it out and patch the hole in the carpet good place
>>> for a conference room/meeting space.  There are at least 2 good solid
>>> offices with doors to rent and one other that would hold a few desk to
>>> have
>>> for library, study, few desk spaces etc..  There was a utility closet for
>>> server racks etc..
>>>
>>> Now back to the shop is HUGE.. with a upper storage area.  Just the shop
>>> is 2x our current floor plan, and the upper deck storage is jaw dropping
>>> compared to what we have now in fact just the upper deck feels about half
>>> as big as our current space.  A nice opportunity to have member storage
>>> space that is out of the way that no one would trip on and not eat up the
>>> 'working space'.
>>>
>>> It's at the end of Beltline and West11th, so though not closer for anyone
>>> but Bob and I, it does feed into major arteries and have mass trans (bike
>>> paths too).
>>>
>>> I doubt the pictures do it justice but figured I would share some of my
>>> impressions too.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Yep they have a heat pump for the whole office building, but what that
>>>> means is we can't muck with the thermostat or the receptionist will get
>>>> very grumpy. ;-) Though the temp should be about right in the winter and
>>>> the summer.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, strangly enough there are two 220 outlets in the reception room.
>>>> They
>>>> had some Uber espresso makers there a couple of tenets ago.
>>>>
>>>>      Clif
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  And everyone told me "Stay off the pole!"  If I only knew...
>>>>>
>>>>> This place looks like a pretty good price/performance compromise.
>>>>>   Though not convenient, it is not completely out of
>>>>> the question by bicycle and is directly on a bus line.
>>>>>
>>>>> A little fugly and I dislike that the office is not attached.  In the
>>>>> winter, however, it will be nice to be able to
>>>>> hang out in a not-freezing room.  Looks like the office has a heat
>>>>> pump,
>>>>> so for a lot of common activities we can be
>>>>> fairly comfortable.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Darrell
>>>>>
>>>>>   Relevant video:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?****v=P-O8_Ja05Gs<http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=P-O8_Ja05Gs>
>>>>>> <http://www.**youtube.com/watch?v=P-O8_**Ja05Gs<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-O8_Ja05Gs>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:30 PM, James Hukill<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Thanks for posting these Cliff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   This is currently the best option that I know of. There are a
>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> other places that I would like to see though. Here are the pictures:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.eugeneweb.com/******gallery2/v/clif/Geeky/EMS/175_****<http://www.eugeneweb.com/****gallery2/v/clif/Geeky/EMS/175_**>
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>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <http://www.**eugeneweb.com/**gallery2/v/clif/**Geeky/EMS/**
>>>>>>>> 175_Danebo/<http://eugeneweb.com/gallery2/v/clif/**Geeky/EMS/175_Danebo/>
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>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>       Ciao,
>>>>>>>>       Clif
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      From your description this space sounds pretty attractive!  Not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "perfect"
>>>>>>>>> but we will almost definnitely have to compromise somewhere.  The
>>>>>>>>> price
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> definitely in the ballpark range.  Thanks for checking it out, I
>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>> forward to seeing photos.-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  So James and I saw 175 Danebo today. And it was very attractive. I
>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>> need to post the pictures but here is a quick summery.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is 2200 sqft of a kinda grungy car shop space with an
>>>>>>>>>> additional
>>>>>>>>>> 550
>>>>>>>>>> sqft of storage space some with shower stall sized "lockers". Also
>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>> the possibility of dividing the shop space with a roll-up door
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> there. There is lots of power in the shop, and they are willing to
>>>>>>>>>> add a
>>>>>>>>>> couple of 220 Outlets if we need them. The concrete floor has some
>>>>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>>>> cracks and is not perfectly level, so don't trip on them. There is
>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>> adjoining bathroom for the shop but that may be the only sink for
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> shop
>>>>>>>>>> area. This shop is not insulated and is on a separate electrical
>>>>>>>>>> service so
>>>>>>>>>> any space heater you put in it is money out the window. Eg we pay
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>>>>> bill for the shop.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have to go outside to get to the office space but it's only
>>>>>>>>>> 50ish
>>>>>>>>>> feet
>>>>>>>>>> in the rain to get there. ;-) That space is about 1600 sqft
>>>>>>>>>> divided
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>> four offices and a large reception area, plus a bathroom and
>>>>>>>>>> storage /
>>>>>>>>>> server room.  One office is quite large almost a community sized
>>>>>>>>>> room
>>>>>>>>>> at 16
>>>>>>>>>> x 16, which maybe shared using three desks. The rent is $1445
>>>>>>>>>> plus a
>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>> $100 / mo for utils in the office space so that would be a total
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> $100 +
>>>>>>>>>> the power bill in the shop in utils. We can run cat 5 through the
>>>>>>>>>> celling
>>>>>>>>>> Or perhaps use some of the mystery outlets that are already there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are about 7 parking spaces in the back. It's definitely not
>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>> that close to anything, and probably not bike friendly though I
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> ride
>>>>>>>>>> my bike there if I wanted some more exercise.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think Kevin said we could afford about $1000 a month in rent so
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> 5
>>>>>>>>>> of us would have to sign up for the extra until we had more
>>>>>>>>>> members.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>        More later. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>        Clif
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    I am interested in looking at the spaces but like Sam I can't
>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  make
>>>>>>>>>>> it unless it's after 5:00PM or on the weekends.  Don't hold
>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>> up on
>>>>>>>>>>> my account, but if you can ever get a viewing during those times
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> happy
>>>>>>>>>>> to come check things out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Ok Meet me at 175 S. Danebo (Scientific Insterments) at 2:00
>>>>>>>>>>> PM. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hukill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     I am on that side of town so I can be there pretty quick..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Just let me know, as long as I am home by 4pm (kids school,
>>>>>>>>>>>> bla
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bla
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bla).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --James
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Ok what is a good time for you James? I will check and see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    person is around then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Thanks for checking in Marie, and Bob. I think that for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to see them as fast as we can and if you are available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or you can also pick a place to look at on your own time frame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> invite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others to go with you. For the second pass we should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schedule
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few days to a week in advance and try to get as many folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also I just drove by this place which I think is next to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> silk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or embroidery ladies place:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's upstairs so that might be a show stopper, not sure if the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space in the picture is part of that or not because that part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downstairs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James Hukill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      I am in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Sep 5, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "Mr. Clif"<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Hi Marie, and gang,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     We can view the 175 S. Danebo space anytime today before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4:00
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PM. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   checking on some others as well. What time works for you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guys?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm also wondering if I should just be contacting the people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the space search off list. I'm thinking those folks might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig, James, and Bob. Though that is just wishful thinking,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marie is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only one so far who really said she was into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you guys think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marie Slatton-Valle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Thanks for answering those questions Cliff.  Count me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  future building visits or related meetings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as shared spaces I know our group is open to sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makerspace would be a good mix as there is a lot of overlap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factor (industrial sewing machines) and other space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirements;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mention the current trends in fashion design with 3-D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> printing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etextiles.  I will bring it up at our next meeting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Mr. Clif<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Hi Marie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     here are some answers as I personally see them:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Marie Slatton-Valle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       I'm down to help on location scouting.  I've been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scouting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similarly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     sized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   locations for a garment production house and often
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EMS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked over the space ratings doc in the wiki and just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions.  1) Does EMS only want month-to-month leases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little longer acceptable?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Yes we did have a six month lease on our current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  draft proposal for a new space involves a 12 month
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lease.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           2) Does EMS need to be in an industrial zone or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      is a commercial space okay?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Commercial is slightly preferable because it usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  implies a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    store
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with display windows and a bit more foot traffic. However,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trade-off is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the cost per square foot is higher, and often more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afford.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          3) What is meant by noise limits on the space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ratings doc?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Well we have noisy shop tools like grinders and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  store
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office park might not like that. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        That's all I can think of for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help! It would be cool if a few of us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal group that looked at properties together. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scheduling a visit to the danebo place next week. Are you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <**http://makezine.com/**2013/****<http://makezine.com/**2013/**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 06/**04/making-makerspaces-**<**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://makezine.com/**2013/06/**
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <**http://makezine.com/**2013/**06/**<http://makezine.com/**2013/06/**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 04/making-makerspaces-**<http:**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //makezine.com/**2013/06/04/**making-makerspaces-**<http://makezine.com/**2013/06/04/making-makerspaces-**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makezine.com/2013/****<http://**makezine.com/2013/**<http://makezine.com/2013/**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://**makezine.com/2013/**06/**04/**<http://makezine.com/2013/06/**04/**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://makezine.**com/2013/06/**04/**<http://makezine.com/2013/06/**04/**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  http://makezine.com/**2013/06/******04/**<http://makezine.com/**2013/06/****04/**>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://makezine.com/**2013/06/04/**<http://makezine.com/2013/06/04/**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ********business-model/<http:/****/*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makezine.com/2013/06/04/**********<http://makezine.com/2013/06/04/********>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://makezine.com/2013/**06/04/******making-**
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://makezine.com/**2013/06/04/**<http://makezine.com/2013/06/04/**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making-makerspaces-creating-a-****
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ****business-model/<http://**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makezine.com/2013/06/04/******
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making-makerspaces-creating-a-<http://makezine.com/2013/06/04/****making-makerspaces-creating-a->
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ****<http://makezine.com/2013/**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 06/04/**making-makerspaces-**creating-a-**<http://makezine.com/2013/06/04/**making-makerspaces-creating-a-**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making-makerspaces-creating-a-****business-model/<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://**makezine.com/2013/06/04/**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making-makerspaces-creating-a-**business-model/<http://makezine.com/2013/06/04/making-makerspaces-creating-a-business-model/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makerspaces as a business model?  Really solid, solid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> info.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Right... I should read that. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        Let me know what I can do to help.  Definitely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  scope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     places.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       So if you're looking for a sewing place would you be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  with EMS?? :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Marie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Rick Osgood<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       While things may have calmed down around EMS lately
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     been out enjoying the summer weather, we are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  to support our growing membership.  Looking at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member poll, the top three voted locations for EMS would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Downtown Eugene followed by East Eugene or West Eugene
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a tie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on those two)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The top features our members would like to see in a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Larger shop space (we currently have 1000sqft)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The ability to subdivide the space to separate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Larger office space for quiet/cleaner activities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Within walking distance of local community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We could really use help trying to find a space.  Our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monthly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> budget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new space will likely be between $1000 and $1300 per
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require us to stretch our wallets when possible to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a really nicely written proposal that includes clauses
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ramp up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and utilities costs over time, which means we might be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with something more expensive than this if we can grow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> base to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> match the rent increases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep in mind we may have to compromise on some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example it will likely cost more to have more space, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more to be downtown.  We may have to make a trade off on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location.  If you can find a place that meets some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> criteria, please email EMAIL HIDDEN and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will get in touch with the owners and send them our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Hopefully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having more people look for a space means we can find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for you help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________****
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **********_________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/**********mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.********
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/**mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.discuss<http://eugenemakerspace.com/mailman/listinfo/com.eugenemakerspace.discuss>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________****
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **********_________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EMAIL HIDDEN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://eugenemakerspace.com/******<http://eugenemakerspace.com/****>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ********mailman/listinfo/com.******<
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***<http://eugenemakerspace.com/****mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *****mailman/listinfo/com.**<h**
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.**com/*<http:**//eugenemakerspace.com/*<http://eugenemakerspace.com/*>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***<http://eugenemakerspace.****com/**<http://**
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ****
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.**<http:/**
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/**mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:********//
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.com/**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.********
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:***
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.**<http://eugenemakerspace.com/**mailman/listinfo/com.**>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eugenemakerspace.com/**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailman/listinfo/com.****eugenemakerspace.discuss<http:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *//eugenemakerspace.com/**mailman/listinfo/com.**
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **********_________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   EMAIL HIDDEN
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