[EMS Discuss] Help us find a new home!

Rick Osgood EMAIL HIDDEN
Tue Sep 24 08:29:54 PDT 2013


Do we have a total of all the money we know we have, and then all the money
that has been pledged on top of that?


On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Mr. Clif <EMAIL HIDDEN> wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> Well we seem to have found all the properties that are currently available
> so now we should try to choose one, as a few have been snatched up already.
> I just looked at a new one that is very cheep but has no rest room, so we
> probably are not interested.
>
> So right now I think we need to try to get some more pledges for extra
> money so we have some choices.
>
> There are a couple of new spaces that are interesting, One is 870 W. 2nd
> in the Whit which is funky but cool, and the other one is 2101 W 10th ave.
> (Next to the old Next Step store). That one would only be possible if they
> came down in price for us.
>
> Please take a look at the pictures and video walk throughs (Darrell asked
> me to remove the sound), and let us know what you think.
>
> As always the latest info is here: https://www.eugenemakerspace.**
> com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch>
>
> Oh and please keep those pledges coming! :-)
>
>
>     Ciao,
>     Clif
>
> Mr. Clif wrote:
>
>> Yep,
>>
>> a train came by while I was there. ;-)
>>
>> So we're looking at four places today anyone else want to join us? Looks
>> like this afternoon unless more than one wants to do it this morning.
>>
>>     Clif
>>
>> EMAIL HIDDEN wrote:
>>
>>> Cool, the one in the Whit is down by the tracks.  I bet no one complains
>>> about noise, there, ever.  Doesn't look like
>>> it has any office space, or at least none is mentioned. :-)
>>>
>>> Decent location.  It helps being nearby and nearly equidistant to three
>>> brew pubs.  Well recessed off any main street,
>>> however.
>>>
>>> I will predict that Cord will like the location, at least.  ;-)
>>>
>>>  Hi Guys,
>>>>
>>>> The nice Realtor for the Franklin space sent me some other
>>>> possibilities. There were some that were around $2000 / mo which I
>>>> ignored. I'll ask her if the owners of any of those might come down in
>>>> price for a cool non-profit. Here is the short list for the new ones:
>>>>
>>>> # $1000 / 2325ft² 43c / sqft - 710 Commercial st. St # 103
>>>>
>>>>    * Flier: 710_Commercial.pdf
>>>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>>>> NewSpaceSearch/710_Commercial.**pdf<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/710_Commercial.pdf>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>    * Almost as far as the Danebo space.
>>>>
>>>> # $1125 / 2500ft² 45c / sqft - 870 W. 2nd (in the Whitaker X Adams.)
>>>>
>>>>    * Flier: 870_W_2nd.pdf
>>>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>>>> NewSpaceSearch/870_W_2nd.pdf<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/870_W_2nd.pdf>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>    *
>>>>
>>>> # $1200 / 4400ft² 27c / sqft - 4068 Stewart Rd.
>>>>
>>>>    * Flier: 4068_Stewart_Rd.jpeg
>>>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>>>> NewSpaceSearch/4068_Stewart_**Rd.jpeg<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/4068_Stewart_Rd.jpeg>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>    * A bit farther than Obie.
>>>>
>>>> # $1250 / 3000ft² 42c / sqft - 645 Powers Street, Suite J
>>>>
>>>>    * Flier: 645_Powers.pdf
>>>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>>>> NewSpaceSearch/645_Powers.pdf<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/645_Powers.pdf>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>    *
>>>>
>>>> # $2017 / 4203ft² 48c / sqft - 2101 W 10th ave. (Next to the old Next
>>>> Step
>>>> store)
>>>>
>>>>    * Flier: 2101_W_10th.pdf
>>>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>>>> NewSpaceSearch/2101_W_10th.pdf<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/2101_W_10th.pdf>
>>>> **>
>>>>
>>>>    * They would have to come down in price substantially
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As always you can see them on our New Space page here:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch>
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to drive by them now and tomorrow we could have her show us
>>>> the interesting ones. Anyone want to join me then?
>>>>
>>>>       Ciao,
>>>>       Clif
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi gang,
>>>>>
>>>>> The nice lady at the city planning office called me this morning with
>>>>> some more info:
>>>>>
>>>>> The City planing office would like to put us in the Specialized
>>>>> education category. That would allow us to chose from many zones such
>>>>> as C2, C3, I1, I2, or I3. As you might imagine these are essentially
>>>>> all the non-residential zones in Eugene.
>>>>>
>>>>> if we need to change anything in the building that requires a building
>>>>> permit then that might trigger a change of use permit or the resulting
>>>>> review process. This would probably result in a change to the number
>>>>> of vehicle or bicycle parking spots we need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Though as a Specialized education org we need to have one parking
>>>>> space for every 3.5 "students", and one bicycle spot for every 5
>>>>> "students" who are there on average during a open hack night. Now 25%
>>>>> of these bicycle parking spots must be for full time "students" or
>>>>> "faculty" a full time parking slot is dry and lockable.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we grow over the first break point which I think is 50 members,
>>>>> then we might also need to talk with public works. based on our use
>>>>> and number of students. One bathroom would probably not be enough.
>>>>> Same goes for building exits etc...
>>>>>
>>>>> So far this all sounds fairly reasonable and it sounds like they want
>>>>> to be helpful. I'm not as sure about the category they put us in but I
>>>>> guess it works for now, and dovetails nicely with what Kiki is doing.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Clif
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg Norman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I like this analysis.
>>>>>>    Greg Norman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>> To: Rick Osgood<EMAIL HIDDEN**com<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> Cc: "EMAIL HIDDEN"**<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [EMS Discuss] Help us find a new home!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow Rick thats quite an essay! :-) Thanks for taking the time to put
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> that down on paper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just was down at the city planner's office and the lady there gave
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> lots of good info. Of course some of it was geared to get people like
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> to file for permits so they can earn some more money, so with that in
>>>>>> mind here is what I learned...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That nose ordinance applies pretty much everywhere, specifically at
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> these places. After 10 PM anyone could call in a complaint, and I
>>>>>> believe that if it's the second one in a year that they can fine you.
>>>>>> The first time you can probably get away with saying that it was the
>>>>>> last renter before you that did it. The second time would be your
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> time, and then the third time (within a year) you would get fined.
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> start about $450 for the first one and $800 something for the second
>>>>>> according to the lady there. So you really don't want to be close to
>>>>>> someone who complains.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Parking is another issue, they want to see so many parking spaces per
>>>>>> some amount of sqft of floor space (that could be occupied by a
>>>>>> person)
>>>>>> so space that is used only for storage doesn't count. They are not
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>> how they would label us but if we were artists then its about one
>>>>>> parking slot for about every $250 / sqft. If we are manufacturing then
>>>>>> its one for every 550 sqft. Bigger numbers are better because you need
>>>>>> fewer parking spaces, and if you have them then in the cities eyes we
>>>>>> arn't breaking any laws. Now the 1010 Grant space dosn't "Own" all the
>>>>>> slots in front of it. The city has some of those as part of the
>>>>>> easement
>>>>>> so only three are actually ours. Though I don't really think anyone
>>>>>> would complain if we were just parking in that area in front. If there
>>>>>> were lots of cars in front of houses then yes it would be a problem.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> W 7th property does have lots of parking even in the cities eyes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Rick that we want to build our community, that's one
>>>>>> reason
>>>>>> we're moving. If we are successful and continue growing, then
>>>>>> eventually
>>>>>> we will have to move again. The question is will that time be forced
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> us by the city or at our own choosing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: we can find out a lot of this info on http://rlid.org/however it
>>>>>> costs a lot darn! :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Clif
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure we should count the noise ordinance thing until after
>>>>>>> you hear
>>>>>>> back and find out if it actually applies.  When considering
>>>>>>> locations, I
>>>>>>> think it's important to consider the purpose of Eugene Maker Space.
>>>>>>> Each
>>>>>>> member may have a different opinion about what purpose(s) we have,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> which are more important.  But here is what I think EMS's goals
>>>>>>> should be,
>>>>>>> in order of what I think is most important to least important (It's
>>>>>>> a close
>>>>>>> tie between all three though).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Strive to provide resources (space and tools) for people to build
>>>>>>> anything they can imagine.
>>>>>>> 2) Build a fun and healthy community of makers/hackers who hang out,
>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>> together, share knowledge.
>>>>>>> 3) Work within the local community (Eugene/Springfield) to help
>>>>>>> promote
>>>>>>> making, engineering, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really like both spaces but neither are perfect.  With those three
>>>>>>> missions in mind, if I had to choose one space I think I would
>>>>>>> actually end
>>>>>>> up choosing the 1010 grant space.  Here's why.  The W 7th space
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> helps us with Mission #1.  But in terms of Mission #2, I don't think
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> puts us in any better situation than we are now, and personally I
>>>>>>> think we
>>>>>>> need to improve our community.  I think the Grant space will help us
>>>>>>> improve both #1 and #2.  It may not help out #1 as much as the W 7th
>>>>>>> space,
>>>>>>> but I think it has a better balance between the two and regardless
>>>>>>> we'll be
>>>>>>> better off with than we are now on both fronts.  I think it is better
>>>>>>> suited to build our community, and that's something we REALLY need
>>>>>>> if we
>>>>>>> want EMS to grow into a bigger space.  I fear that the W 7th space
>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>> a great workshop but it won't promote the community hangout aspect we
>>>>>>> really need to improve.  As for Mission #3, I think the Grant space
>>>>>>> in it's
>>>>>>> current form is better suited for this too.  With separate quiet
>>>>>>> rooms we
>>>>>>> will be better able to host events at EMS or even to allow other
>>>>>>> organizations to hold events within our own space.  It also has a
>>>>>>> nice
>>>>>>> kitchen area we can use when hosting events to keep food and drink
>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>> from the dirty shop.  These things can really help us make strong
>>>>>>> ties with
>>>>>>> the rest of the Eugene community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's the bottom line for me.  For more details about what things I
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> and dislike about each space, keep reading.  But the important bit
>>>>>>> is above
>>>>>>> so if you are already bored feel free to stop here ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The W 7th space is a good option but we'd have to spend time and
>>>>>>> money (who
>>>>>>> has either?) to fix the gate issues so our members can get in
>>>>>>> off-hours.
>>>>>>>     We also only have one small office which means if we want divided
>>>>>>> space we
>>>>>>> need to build it ourselves (more time and money).  I fear that one
>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>> we don't retain new people is because they walk into our current
>>>>>>> space and
>>>>>>> they are immediately placed into a dirty workshop environment.
>>>>>>> There's no
>>>>>>> clean or quiet area for them.  We can't ease them into the space.
>>>>>>> The W
>>>>>>> 7th space is the exact same way.  Also, while I love the feeling of
>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>> ceilings, the huge space will be very inefficient to heat.  If we had
>>>>>>> smaller hang out rooms to compensate we might be OK, but it's tough
>>>>>>> to want
>>>>>>> to go down to EMS on open hack night when I know I'm going to just
>>>>>>> sit
>>>>>>> around and freeze.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 1010 Grant space is not in a very good location, in that there
>>>>>>> is an
>>>>>>> apartment literally on top of it and a house 3 feet from the main
>>>>>>> wall.
>>>>>>>     Also the divisions are laid out strangely and some of the rooms
>>>>>>> are likely
>>>>>>> too small to be useful to us.  While we do have permission to move
>>>>>>> walls,
>>>>>>> it will take more time and money to fix.  Plus the electrical stuff
>>>>>>> we move
>>>>>>> has to be up to code.  It has a good sized bay door, but it's not at
>>>>>>> street
>>>>>>> level so we'll have to build a big ramp to get vehicles in.  More
>>>>>>> time and
>>>>>>> money spent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With all the negative things out of the way, here's a simple list of
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> the things I really like about each space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> W 7th:
>>>>>>> - Big ceilings and open space make me feel like I can build anything
>>>>>>> - Pretty good parking
>>>>>>> - Right next to Home Depot (for supplies and for advertising events)
>>>>>>> - 16 foot roll up door to get big projects in and out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1010 Grant:
>>>>>>> - Space is already divided into offices and work space
>>>>>>> - Has an entry area that may be more welcoming to new visitors
>>>>>>> rather than
>>>>>>> dumping them right into a dirty shop
>>>>>>> - Probably enough street parking
>>>>>>> - Park right across the street
>>>>>>> - Right off West 11th
>>>>>>> - Kitchen area
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I'm sorry, I don't really know which one I would like better, and
>>>>>>>> yes I
>>>>>>>> might have subconsciously worded it that way. However those are the
>>>>>>>> facts
>>>>>>>> as I know them. I do have a call into the planning department to
>>>>>>>> double
>>>>>>>> check the noise ordnance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway they have a lot of simularities I know you like 1010 Grant,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Darrel likes W 7th. I could be happy with either I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         What about the rest of us?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Clif
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cord Slatton wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Sounds like you are pushing hard for the w. 7th....? That email
>>>>>>>>> you just
>>>>>>>>> sent is worded to push people towards it.
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 2013 1:13 PM, "Mr. Clif"<EMAIL HIDDEN>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     So I think we should take an informal poll on how we feel about
>>>>>>>>> our two
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> top spaces, which seem to be the W 7th, and 1010 Grant spaces.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are the same square footage, and probably around the same
>>>>>>>>>> price, but
>>>>>>>>>> the 1010 Grant space is carved up in to lots of office space, and
>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> a nose limit after ten. The insulation is probably good on both
>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
>>>>>>>>>> The W7th one has gas heat and high ceilings, and the 1010 Grant
>>>>>>>>>> space has
>>>>>>>>>> lower ceilings but electric? heat So would the heating bill be a
>>>>>>>>>> wash? We
>>>>>>>>>> have some example amounts for the W 7th place at least. The 1010
>>>>>>>>>> grant
>>>>>>>>>> space may have more walk by traffic but not sure if it's the
>>>>>>>>>> people you
>>>>>>>>>> want. The W 7th place is across the street from Home Depot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you guys think? Should we take a straw poll?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Clif
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Hi Gang,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I got the rest of the questions answered. here they are:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1010 Grant Qs
>>>>>>>>>>>         Can we move walls? -- Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>         Maximum repair costs we would be responsible for? -- Yes
>>>>>>>>>>> we can cap
>>>>>>>>>>> it, eg. Negotiable.
>>>>>>>>>>>             Modified Gross; Would consider triple net as a way of
>>>>>>>>>>> reducing
>>>>>>>>>>> costs to both parties.
>>>>>>>>>>>         Will it remain up for sale? -- Only until someone rents
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>         What are the options on the lease term? -- 1 year; would
>>>>>>>>>>> consider 6
>>>>>>>>>>> mo.
>>>>>>>>>>>         How is it zoned? -- S-C/C-2 (From Rick)
>>>>>>>>>>>         Thoughts on late night noise limits? -- It has filled
>>>>>>>>>>> Cinder block
>>>>>>>>>>> construction.
>>>>>>>>>>>             If you strategically place the noisy tools it might
>>>>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>>>>>>             The Realtor believes the 10 PM noise ordinance does
>>>>>>>>>>> apply. We
>>>>>>>>>>> need to double check on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Hi Gang,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I composed my list of questions and called them today but
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Realtor in charge, is not around until next Monday. I did get a
>>>>>>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>>>>>>> of answers though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1010 Grant Qs
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Can we move walls? -- Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Maximum repair costs we would be responsible for? -- NA
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Will it remain up for sale? -- Until someone rents it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>         What are the options on the lease term? 6 Mo? -- NA
>>>>>>>>>>>>         How is it zoned? -- S-C/C-2 (From Rick)
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Thoughts on late night noise limits? -- NA
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday we should get the rest of the NAs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     I think you guys were going to send me the questions so I
>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forget any. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Sam, most of the walls in the building can be moved and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company says that's ok for us to do.  So we do have some good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reconfiguring the space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clif, are you sending questions over to the management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company?  Did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want me or someone else to do that?  Do you remember all of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Sam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foster<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       I couldn't make the viewing as it turned out, but from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the location
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look of the place it might be a winner. I think in any space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making arbitrary amounts of noise at any time of day with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> floor plan does look a bit funky, but maybe some of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walls are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to (re)move? Either way, it checks my "need options
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clean and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quiet work" box.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do I understand the whole building is up for sale though?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> length of the lease and is that a concern? It would suck to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money refurbing and getting moved in only to have to move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new owner makes new plans. Or perhaps the owner just needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flowing again and would take it off the market if we sign a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lease.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Sam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2013 11:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Here are my pictures of the 1010 Grant space, they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsorted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  right now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I might be able to get to that later... :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       When we looked at this space yesterday I got the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked this space.  I just got a general good feeling from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all thought it could work really well for EMS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have anything negative to say about this space?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the only things I can think of are having an apartment on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and being right next to a residential house.  Other than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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