[EMS Discuss] Help us find a new home!

Mr. Clif EMAIL HIDDEN
Tue Sep 24 10:59:18 PDT 2013


Yes, I have a spread sheet. I've assumed we have 28 members. That and 
the pledges so far get us to a deficit of about $370 / month for a $1400 
property with $100 / mo Utils.

     Clif

Rick Osgood wrote:
> Do we have a total of all the money we know we have, and then all the money
> that has been pledged on top of that?
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>  wrote:
>
>> Hi Gang,
>>
>> Well we seem to have found all the properties that are currently available
>> so now we should try to choose one, as a few have been snatched up already.
>> I just looked at a new one that is very cheep but has no rest room, so we
>> probably are not interested.
>>
>> So right now I think we need to try to get some more pledges for extra
>> money so we have some choices.
>>
>> There are a couple of new spaces that are interesting, One is 870 W. 2nd
>> in the Whit which is funky but cool, and the other one is 2101 W 10th ave.
>> (Next to the old Next Step store). That one would only be possible if they
>> came down in price for us.
>>
>> Please take a look at the pictures and video walk throughs (Darrell asked
>> me to remove the sound), and let us know what you think.
>>
>> As always the latest info is here: https://www.eugenemakerspace.**
>> com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch>
>>
>> Oh and please keep those pledges coming! :-)
>>
>>
>>      Ciao,
>>      Clif
>>
>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>
>>> Yep,
>>>
>>> a train came by while I was there. ;-)
>>>
>>> So we're looking at four places today anyone else want to join us? Looks
>>> like this afternoon unless more than one wants to do it this morning.
>>>
>>>      Clif
>>>
>>> EMAIL HIDDEN wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cool, the one in the Whit is down by the tracks.  I bet no one complains
>>>> about noise, there, ever.  Doesn't look like
>>>> it has any office space, or at least none is mentioned. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Decent location.  It helps being nearby and nearly equidistant to three
>>>> brew pubs.  Well recessed off any main street,
>>>> however.
>>>>
>>>> I will predict that Cord will like the location, at least.  ;-)
>>>>
>>>>   Hi Guys,
>>>>> The nice Realtor for the Franklin space sent me some other
>>>>> possibilities. There were some that were around $2000 / mo which I
>>>>> ignored. I'll ask her if the owners of any of those might come down in
>>>>> price for a cool non-profit. Here is the short list for the new ones:
>>>>>
>>>>> # $1000 / 2325ft² 43c / sqft - 710 Commercial st. St # 103
>>>>>
>>>>>     * Flier: 710_Commercial.pdf
>>>>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>>>>> NewSpaceSearch/710_Commercial.**pdf<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/710_Commercial.pdf>
>>>>>     * Almost as far as the Danebo space.
>>>>>
>>>>> # $1125 / 2500ft² 45c / sqft - 870 W. 2nd (in the Whitaker X Adams.)
>>>>>
>>>>>     * Flier: 870_W_2nd.pdf
>>>>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>>>>> NewSpaceSearch/870_W_2nd.pdf<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/870_W_2nd.pdf>
>>>>>     *
>>>>>
>>>>> # $1200 / 4400ft² 27c / sqft - 4068 Stewart Rd.
>>>>>
>>>>>     * Flier: 4068_Stewart_Rd.jpeg
>>>>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>>>>> NewSpaceSearch/4068_Stewart_**Rd.jpeg<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/4068_Stewart_Rd.jpeg>
>>>>>     * A bit farther than Obie.
>>>>>
>>>>> # $1250 / 3000ft² 42c / sqft - 645 Powers Street, Suite J
>>>>>
>>>>>     * Flier: 645_Powers.pdf
>>>>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>>>>> NewSpaceSearch/645_Powers.pdf<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/645_Powers.pdf>
>>>>>     *
>>>>>
>>>>> # $2017 / 4203ft² 48c / sqft - 2101 W 10th ave. (Next to the old Next
>>>>> Step
>>>>> store)
>>>>>
>>>>>     * Flier: 2101_W_10th.pdf
>>>>> <https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/pub/Sites/**
>>>>> NewSpaceSearch/2101_W_10th.pdf<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/2101_W_10th.pdf>
>>>>> **>
>>>>>
>>>>>     * They would have to come down in price substantially
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As always you can see them on our New Space page here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.eugenemakerspace.**com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch<https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to drive by them now and tomorrow we could have her show us
>>>>> the interesting ones. Anyone want to join me then?
>>>>>
>>>>>        Ciao,
>>>>>        Clif
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi gang,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The nice lady at the city planning office called me this morning with
>>>>>> some more info:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The City planing office would like to put us in the Specialized
>>>>>> education category. That would allow us to chose from many zones such
>>>>>> as C2, C3, I1, I2, or I3. As you might imagine these are essentially
>>>>>> all the non-residential zones in Eugene.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if we need to change anything in the building that requires a building
>>>>>> permit then that might trigger a change of use permit or the resulting
>>>>>> review process. This would probably result in a change to the number
>>>>>> of vehicle or bicycle parking spots we need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Though as a Specialized education org we need to have one parking
>>>>>> space for every 3.5 "students", and one bicycle spot for every 5
>>>>>> "students" who are there on average during a open hack night. Now 25%
>>>>>> of these bicycle parking spots must be for full time "students" or
>>>>>> "faculty" a full time parking slot is dry and lockable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we grow over the first break point which I think is 50 members,
>>>>>> then we might also need to talk with public works. based on our use
>>>>>> and number of students. One bathroom would probably not be enough.
>>>>>> Same goes for building exits etc...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far this all sounds fairly reasonable and it sounds like they want
>>>>>> to be helpful. I'm not as sure about the category they put us in but I
>>>>>> guess it works for now, and dovetails nicely with what Kiki is doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Clif
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg Norman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like this analysis.
>>>>>>>     Greg Norman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>> To: Rick Osgood<EMAIL HIDDEN**com<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>> Cc: "EMAIL HIDDEN"**<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:28 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [EMS Discuss] Help us find a new home!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow Rick thats quite an essay! :-) Thanks for taking the time to put
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> that down on paper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just was down at the city planner's office and the lady there gave
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> lots of good info. Of course some of it was geared to get people like
>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>> to file for permits so they can earn some more money, so with that in
>>>>>>> mind here is what I learned...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That nose ordinance applies pretty much everywhere, specifically at
>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>> these places. After 10 PM anyone could call in a complaint, and I
>>>>>>> believe that if it's the second one in a year that they can fine you.
>>>>>>> The first time you can probably get away with saying that it was the
>>>>>>> last renter before you that did it. The second time would be your
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> time, and then the third time (within a year) you would get fined.
>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>> start about $450 for the first one and $800 something for the second
>>>>>>> according to the lady there. So you really don't want to be close to
>>>>>>> someone who complains.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Parking is another issue, they want to see so many parking spaces per
>>>>>>> some amount of sqft of floor space (that could be occupied by a
>>>>>>> person)
>>>>>>> so space that is used only for storage doesn't count. They are not
>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>> how they would label us but if we were artists then its about one
>>>>>>> parking slot for about every $250 / sqft. If we are manufacturing then
>>>>>>> its one for every 550 sqft. Bigger numbers are better because you need
>>>>>>> fewer parking spaces, and if you have them then in the cities eyes we
>>>>>>> arn't breaking any laws. Now the 1010 Grant space dosn't "Own" all the
>>>>>>> slots in front of it. The city has some of those as part of the
>>>>>>> easement
>>>>>>> so only three are actually ours. Though I don't really think anyone
>>>>>>> would complain if we were just parking in that area in front. If there
>>>>>>> were lots of cars in front of houses then yes it would be a problem.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> W 7th property does have lots of parking even in the cities eyes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with Rick that we want to build our community, that's one
>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>> we're moving. If we are successful and continue growing, then
>>>>>>> eventually
>>>>>>> we will have to move again. The question is will that time be forced
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> us by the city or at our own choosing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS: we can find out a lot of this info on http://rlid.org/however it
>>>>>>> costs a lot darn! :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Clif
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure we should count the noise ordinance thing until after
>>>>>>>> you hear
>>>>>>>> back and find out if it actually applies.  When considering
>>>>>>>> locations, I
>>>>>>>> think it's important to consider the purpose of Eugene Maker Space.
>>>>>>>> Each
>>>>>>>> member may have a different opinion about what purpose(s) we have,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> which are more important.  But here is what I think EMS's goals
>>>>>>>> should be,
>>>>>>>> in order of what I think is most important to least important (It's
>>>>>>>> a close
>>>>>>>> tie between all three though).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Strive to provide resources (space and tools) for people to build
>>>>>>>> anything they can imagine.
>>>>>>>> 2) Build a fun and healthy community of makers/hackers who hang out,
>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>> together, share knowledge.
>>>>>>>> 3) Work within the local community (Eugene/Springfield) to help
>>>>>>>> promote
>>>>>>>> making, engineering, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really like both spaces but neither are perfect.  With those three
>>>>>>>> missions in mind, if I had to choose one space I think I would
>>>>>>>> actually end
>>>>>>>> up choosing the 1010 grant space.  Here's why.  The W 7th space
>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>> helps us with Mission #1.  But in terms of Mission #2, I don't think
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> puts us in any better situation than we are now, and personally I
>>>>>>>> think we
>>>>>>>> need to improve our community.  I think the Grant space will help us
>>>>>>>> improve both #1 and #2.  It may not help out #1 as much as the W 7th
>>>>>>>> space,
>>>>>>>> but I think it has a better balance between the two and regardless
>>>>>>>> we'll be
>>>>>>>> better off with than we are now on both fronts.  I think it is better
>>>>>>>> suited to build our community, and that's something we REALLY need
>>>>>>>> if we
>>>>>>>> want EMS to grow into a bigger space.  I fear that the W 7th space
>>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>>> a great workshop but it won't promote the community hangout aspect we
>>>>>>>> really need to improve.  As for Mission #3, I think the Grant space
>>>>>>>> in it's
>>>>>>>> current form is better suited for this too.  With separate quiet
>>>>>>>> rooms we
>>>>>>>> will be better able to host events at EMS or even to allow other
>>>>>>>> organizations to hold events within our own space.  It also has a
>>>>>>>> nice
>>>>>>>> kitchen area we can use when hosting events to keep food and drink
>>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>>> from the dirty shop.  These things can really help us make strong
>>>>>>>> ties with
>>>>>>>> the rest of the Eugene community.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's the bottom line for me.  For more details about what things I
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> and dislike about each space, keep reading.  But the important bit
>>>>>>>> is above
>>>>>>>> so if you are already bored feel free to stop here ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The W 7th space is a good option but we'd have to spend time and
>>>>>>>> money (who
>>>>>>>> has either?) to fix the gate issues so our members can get in
>>>>>>>> off-hours.
>>>>>>>>      We also only have one small office which means if we want divided
>>>>>>>> space we
>>>>>>>> need to build it ourselves (more time and money).  I fear that one
>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>> we don't retain new people is because they walk into our current
>>>>>>>> space and
>>>>>>>> they are immediately placed into a dirty workshop environment.
>>>>>>>> There's no
>>>>>>>> clean or quiet area for them.  We can't ease them into the space.
>>>>>>>> The W
>>>>>>>> 7th space is the exact same way.  Also, while I love the feeling of
>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>> ceilings, the huge space will be very inefficient to heat.  If we had
>>>>>>>> smaller hang out rooms to compensate we might be OK, but it's tough
>>>>>>>> to want
>>>>>>>> to go down to EMS on open hack night when I know I'm going to just
>>>>>>>> sit
>>>>>>>> around and freeze.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The 1010 Grant space is not in a very good location, in that there
>>>>>>>> is an
>>>>>>>> apartment literally on top of it and a house 3 feet from the main
>>>>>>>> wall.
>>>>>>>>      Also the divisions are laid out strangely and some of the rooms
>>>>>>>> are likely
>>>>>>>> too small to be useful to us.  While we do have permission to move
>>>>>>>> walls,
>>>>>>>> it will take more time and money to fix.  Plus the electrical stuff
>>>>>>>> we move
>>>>>>>> has to be up to code.  It has a good sized bay door, but it's not at
>>>>>>>> street
>>>>>>>> level so we'll have to build a big ramp to get vehicles in.  More
>>>>>>>> time and
>>>>>>>> money spent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With all the negative things out of the way, here's a simple list of
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> the things I really like about each space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> W 7th:
>>>>>>>> - Big ceilings and open space make me feel like I can build anything
>>>>>>>> - Pretty good parking
>>>>>>>> - Right next to Home Depot (for supplies and for advertising events)
>>>>>>>> - 16 foot roll up door to get big projects in and out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1010 Grant:
>>>>>>>> - Space is already divided into offices and work space
>>>>>>>> - Has an entry area that may be more welcoming to new visitors
>>>>>>>> rather than
>>>>>>>> dumping them right into a dirty shop
>>>>>>>> - Probably enough street parking
>>>>>>>> - Park right across the street
>>>>>>>> - Right off West 11th
>>>>>>>> - Kitchen area
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Mr. Clif<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   I'm sorry, I don't really know which one I would like better, and
>>>>>>>>> yes I
>>>>>>>>> might have subconsciously worded it that way. However those are the
>>>>>>>>> facts
>>>>>>>>> as I know them. I do have a call into the planning department to
>>>>>>>>> double
>>>>>>>>> check the noise ordnance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway they have a lot of simularities I know you like 1010 Grant,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> Darrel likes W 7th. I could be happy with either I think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          What about the rest of us?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          Clif
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cord Slatton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Sounds like you are pushing hard for the w. 7th....? That email
>>>>>>>>>> you just
>>>>>>>>>> sent is worded to push people towards it.
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 2013 1:13 PM, "Mr. Clif"<EMAIL HIDDEN>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      So I think we should take an informal poll on how we feel about
>>>>>>>>>> our two
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> top spaces, which seem to be the W 7th, and 1010 Grant spaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They are the same square footage, and probably around the same
>>>>>>>>>>> price, but
>>>>>>>>>>> the 1010 Grant space is carved up in to lots of office space, and
>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> a nose limit after ten. The insulation is probably good on both
>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
>>>>>>>>>>> The W7th one has gas heat and high ceilings, and the 1010 Grant
>>>>>>>>>>> space has
>>>>>>>>>>> lower ceilings but electric? heat So would the heating bill be a
>>>>>>>>>>> wash? We
>>>>>>>>>>> have some example amounts for the W 7th place at least. The 1010
>>>>>>>>>>> grant
>>>>>>>>>>> space may have more walk by traffic but not sure if it's the
>>>>>>>>>>> people you
>>>>>>>>>>> want. The W 7th place is across the street from Home Depot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What do you guys think? Should we take a straw poll?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      Hi Gang,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I got the rest of the questions answered. here they are:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1010 Grant Qs
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Can we move walls? -- Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Maximum repair costs we would be responsible for? -- Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>> we can cap
>>>>>>>>>>>> it, eg. Negotiable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>              Modified Gross; Would consider triple net as a way of
>>>>>>>>>>>> reducing
>>>>>>>>>>>> costs to both parties.
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Will it remain up for sale? -- Only until someone rents
>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>          What are the options on the lease term? -- 1 year; would
>>>>>>>>>>>> consider 6
>>>>>>>>>>>> mo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>          How is it zoned? -- S-C/C-2 (From Rick)
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Thoughts on late night noise limits? -- It has filled
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cinder block
>>>>>>>>>>>> construction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>              If you strategically place the noisy tools it might
>>>>>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>              The Realtor believes the 10 PM noise ordinance does
>>>>>>>>>>>> apply. We
>>>>>>>>>>>> need to double check on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>      Hi Gang,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I composed my list of questions and called them today but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Realtor in charge, is not around until next Monday. I did get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of answers though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1010 Grant Qs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Can we move walls? -- Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Maximum repair costs we would be responsible for? -- NA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Will it remain up for sale? -- Until someone rents it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          What are the options on the lease term? 6 Mo? -- NA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          How is it zoned? -- S-C/C-2 (From Rick)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Thoughts on late night noise limits? -- NA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday we should get the rest of the NAs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      I think you guys were going to send me the questions so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forget any. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Sam, most of the walls in the building can be moved and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company says that's ok for us to do.  So we do have some good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reconfiguring the space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clif, are you sending questions over to the management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company?  Did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want me or someone else to do that?  Do you remember all of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Sam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foster<EMAIL HIDDEN>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        I couldn't make the viewing as it turned out, but from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the location
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look of the place it might be a winner. I think in any space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making arbitrary amounts of noise at any time of day with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> floor plan does look a bit funky, but maybe some of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walls are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to (re)move? Either way, it checks my "need options
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clean and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quiet work" box.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do I understand the whole building is up for sale though?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> length of the lease and is that a concern? It would suck to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money refurbing and getting moved in only to have to move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new owner makes new plans. Or perhaps the owner just needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flowing again and would take it off the market if we sign a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lease.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Sam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2013 11:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        Here are my pictures of the 1010 Grant space, they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsorted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   right now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I might be able to get to that later... :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        When we looked at this space yesterday I got the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked this space.  I just got a general good feeling from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all thought it could work really well for EMS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have anything negative to say about this space?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the only things I can think of are having an apartment on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and being right next to a residential house.  Other than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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