[EMS Discuss] Target range - Elephant in the room?

Rick Osgood rick at richardosgood.com
Thu Feb 20 15:50:28 PST 2014


I'm happy to help load it into a trailer on Saturday instead of tear it
down if that's what you guys want to do.  I think Cord wants the bike
trailers off of it regardless though.


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Ben Hallert <ben at hallert.net> wrote:

> If it gets torn down, I want to participate and claim some parts.  If
> anyone is invested in transporting it to the mysterious Veneta deep freeze
> storage compound, I have a trailer and can probably haul it with
> assistance.
>
> Ben
>
> - Ben
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>wrote:
>
>> Is anyone planning to come on Saturday and help tear this thing down?  I
>> haven't even heard anyone say that they want any of the parts from it.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>wrote:
>>
>>> It's been a week and there has been no movement on this.  I'm
>>> scheduling a *tear down* day for *Saturday, February 22 at 1:00PM*. If
>>> someone wants to haul the thing away for off-site storage before then,
>>> that's fine.  I know Cord has mentioned that he wants the bike trailers
>>> before it gets stored off site somewhere so just make sure you talk to him
>>> about that first.  Also, if you take it, please announce it here so
>>> everyone knows who did what, and why.
>>>
>>> If you have some parts on the target gallery that you need saved and you
>>> can't make it to the tear down, please make it known publicly so they can
>>> be set aside for you.  Maybe we can bring some beers and pizza and make
>>> this fun?  We'll iron out the details as the day approaches.  I have it on
>>> the EMS calendar.  If you like to break things apart, please show up and
>>> help out.  The more people we have, ideally the more fun it will be and the
>>> faster we will get this done.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Benjamin Hallert <ben at vipmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> If we need to transport it, I have a small truckbed trailer that might
>>>> be able to handle it. I can bring the trailer by the shop and we can
>>>> brainstorm to see if it could move it or not.
>>>> - Ben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do realize it's not going anywhere until the snow and ice is melted.
>>>>>  We need an answer for who is doing what and when so it doesn't sit around
>>>>> for another month or two while everyone waits for someone else to do
>>>>> something.  I don't see why someone can't commit to taking it and just say
>>>>> when they think they can do it.  If no one commits to taking it then we
>>>>> have to break it down.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Well why don't we talk about it next week when the roads are clear
>>>>>> again. Though I was just out having fun in my truck.
>>>>>> Also it won't fit in my truck because of the camper shell so we'll
>>>>>> either need a trailer or another truck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Ciao!
>>>>>>     Clif
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 03:55 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK it sounds like maybe the plan is to move the target range
>>>>>> somewhere else.  Clif was the only person who seemed to know an off site
>>>>>> location suitable.  Who is going to bring the project there and when?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Weston Turner <wstnturner at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your input Taper,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like the idea of off-siting it too. That way the project can at
>>>>>>> least be resumed at a later date, and it won't be taking up space at the
>>>>>>> Makerspace. It seems like a good compromise solution to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Weston
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On Feb 7, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Taper Wickel <taper at waxwolf.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I was the only other person besides Cord working on it -- and I'll
>>>>>>> > have no time to work on it for quite a while, what with stuff.  I
>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> > of like the idea of off-siting it for a while, but if no one else
>>>>>>> > wants to work on it going forward it might be best to tear it down.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Taper.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Rick Osgood <
>>>>>>> rick at richardosgood.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> Just a reminder that it's been just about a week since this was
>>>>>>> sent out.
>>>>>>> >> Has the team decided what to do?  I only heard two people chime
>>>>>>> in that
>>>>>>> >> disassembling it was reasonable but that there was also possible
>>>>>>> storage for
>>>>>>> >> the project as-is in Veneta.  Any more thoughts?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> I can offer some offsite storage for the shooting gallery in
>>>>>>> Veneta.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>    Clif
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> On 01/31/2014 08:18 AM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> During the space improvement night we got to discussing the
>>>>>>> target
>>>>>>> >>> shooting range project again.  This can be a touchy subject
>>>>>>> because some
>>>>>>> >>> members put a lot of time and money into this project already.
>>>>>>>  Some other
>>>>>>> >>> members feel that it takes up too much space for the value it
>>>>>>> brings to EMS,
>>>>>>> >>> and some also question the value it would bring even if it was
>>>>>>> finished and
>>>>>>> >>> functional (in comparison to the space it takes up)
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> We've had several email threads about this subject in the past
>>>>>>> and they
>>>>>>> >>> generally end with people saying they don't want to scrap the
>>>>>>> project and
>>>>>>> >>> they will help out on the project, but only a couple of people
>>>>>>> ever seem to
>>>>>>> >>> actually follow through.  And unfortunately those people don't
>>>>>>> have the time
>>>>>>> >>> or funding to finish it right now.  At this point something has
>>>>>>> to be done.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> We believe there are a few options for this project:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Option 1. We can disassemble the project.  People can take their
>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>> >>> back and useful unclaimed parts can go into bins for public use.
>>>>>>>  Maybe we
>>>>>>> >>> can save some pieces for display?  Like Bob the robot or the
>>>>>>> awesome ammo
>>>>>>> >>> case with guns inside.  Anything that can be displayed without
>>>>>>> taking up too
>>>>>>> >>> much space.  The rest gets recycled or thrown away.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Option 2. The team needs to start paying for project storage as
>>>>>>> per the
>>>>>>> >>> EMS storage policy.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Option 3. If the team doesn't want to pay, the team needs to get
>>>>>>> 51% of
>>>>>>> >>> the membership to approve the project as a sponsored project as
>>>>>>> per the EMS
>>>>>>> >>> storage policy.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Option 4. The team can take the project off site to store
>>>>>>> it/work on it
>>>>>>> >>> until they can find the time to put more work into it.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> I think it would be fair to take a week to discuss this and let
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> >>> members who are involved make a decision.  Then we can move
>>>>>>> forward as a
>>>>>>> >>> community from there.  Let's have the discussion in this thread
>>>>>>> and figure
>>>>>>> >>> it out.  I'll send out an update on 2/7/2014 so this isn't
>>>>>>> forgotten.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Rick
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
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