[EMS Discuss] Target range - Elephant in the room?

Mr. Clif clif at eugeneweb.com
Thu Feb 20 16:01:30 PST 2014


So here is my email from just two days ago:

On 02/18/2014 10:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:
> So my offer still stands to help transport the Gallery out to the 
> storage area in Veneta. We probably need a trailer unless it can be 
> partially disassembled enough to fit under my camper top. Otherwise I 
> think the tare down day is this Saturday.
>
>     Clif

Ben, are you offering your trailer?

     Clif

On 02/20/2014 03:52 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
> That's good because the trailers would complicate my ability to haul 
> it to wherever.  The bed on the trailer is 6' long and we can have 
> some overhang, I think it should fit with a little swearing.  Is it 
> going somewhere to rot or some place good?  If it's going to rot in 
> someone's barn as a 'possible future project', we might want to do the 
> tear down but that's just my opinion.
>
> - Ben
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com 
> <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>> wrote:
>
>     I'm happy to help load it into a trailer on Saturday instead of
>     tear it down if that's what you guys want to do.  I think Cord
>     wants the bike trailers off of it regardless though.
>
>
>     On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Ben Hallert <ben at hallert.net
>     <mailto:ben at hallert.net>> wrote:
>
>         If it gets torn down, I want to participate and claim some
>         parts.  If anyone is invested in transporting it to the
>         mysterious Veneta deep freeze storage compound, I have a
>         trailer and can probably haul it with assistance.
>
>         Ben
>
>         - Ben
>
>
>         On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Rick Osgood
>         <rick at richardosgood.com <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>> wrote:
>
>             Is anyone planning to come on Saturday and help tear this
>             thing down?  I haven't even heard anyone say that they
>             want any of the parts from it.
>
>
>             On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Rick Osgood
>             <rick at richardosgood.com <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>>
>             wrote:
>
>                 It's been a week and there has been no movement on
>                 this.  I'm scheduling a *tear down* day for *Saturday,
>                 February 22 at 1:00PM*. If someone wants to haul the
>                 thing away for off-site storage before then, that's
>                 fine.  I know Cord has mentioned that he wants the
>                 bike trailers before it gets stored off site somewhere
>                 so just make sure you talk to him about that first.
>                  Also, if you take it, please announce it here so
>                 everyone knows who did what, and why.
>
>                 If you have some parts on the target gallery that you
>                 need saved and you can't make it to the tear down,
>                 please make it known publicly so they can be set aside
>                 for you.  Maybe we can bring some beers and pizza and
>                 make this fun?  We'll iron out the details as the day
>                 approaches.  I have it on the EMS calendar.  If you
>                 like to break things apart, please show up and help
>                 out.  The more people we have, ideally the more fun it
>                 will be and the faster we will get this done.
>
>                 Rick
>
>
>                 On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Benjamin Hallert
>                 <ben at vipmail.com <mailto:ben at vipmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                     If we need to transport it, I have a small
>                     truckbed trailer that might be able to handle it.
>                     I can bring the trailer by the shop and we can
>                     brainstorm to see if it could move it or not.
>                     - Ben
>
>
>                     On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Rick Osgood
>                     <rick at richardosgood.com
>                     <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>> wrote:
>
>                         I do realize it's not going anywhere until the
>                         snow and ice is melted.  We need an answer for
>                         who is doing what and when so it doesn't sit
>                         around for another month or two while everyone
>                         waits for someone else to do something.  I
>                         don't see why someone can't commit to taking
>                         it and just say when they think they can do
>                         it.  If no one commits to taking it then we
>                         have to break it down.
>
>
>                         On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Mr. Clif
>                         <clif at eugeneweb.com
>                         <mailto:clif at eugeneweb.com>> wrote:
>
>                             Well why don't we talk about it next week
>                             when the roads are clear again. Though I
>                             was just out having fun in my truck.
>                             Also it won't fit in my truck because of
>                             the camper shell so we'll either need a
>                             trailer or another truck.
>
>                                 Ciao!
>                                 Clif
>
>
>                             On 02/07/2014 03:55 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>                             OK it sounds like maybe the plan is to
>>                             move the target range somewhere else.
>>                              Clif was the only person who seemed to
>>                             know an off site location suitable.  Who
>>                             is going to bring the project there and when?
>>
>>
>>                             On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Weston
>>                             Turner <wstnturner at gmail.com
>>                             <mailto:wstnturner at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                                 Thanks for your input Taper,
>>
>>                                 I like the idea of off-siting it too.
>>                                 That way the project can at least be
>>                                 resumed at a later date, and it won't
>>                                 be taking up space at the Makerspace.
>>                                 It seems like a good compromise
>>                                 solution to me.
>>
>>                                 Regards,
>>                                 Weston
>>
>>                                 > On Feb 7, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Taper
>>                                 Wickel <taper at waxwolf.com
>>                                 <mailto:taper at waxwolf.com>> wrote:
>>                                 >
>>                                 > I was the only other person besides
>>                                 Cord working on it -- and I'll
>>                                 > have no time to work on it for
>>                                 quite a while, what with stuff.  I kind
>>                                 > of like the idea of off-siting it
>>                                 for a while, but if no one else
>>                                 > wants to work on it going forward
>>                                 it might be best to tear it down.
>>                                 >
>>                                 > Taper.
>>                                 >
>>                                 >
>>                                 >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM,
>>                                 Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com
>>                                 <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>> wrote:
>>                                 >> Just a reminder that it's been
>>                                 just about a week since this was sent
>>                                 out.
>>                                 >> Has the team decided what to do?
>>                                  I only heard two people chime in that
>>                                 >> disassembling it was reasonable
>>                                 but that there was also possible
>>                                 storage for
>>                                 >> the project as-is in Veneta.  Any
>>                                 more thoughts?
>>                                 >>
>>                                 >>
>>                                 >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM,
>>                                 Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com
>>                                 <mailto:clif at eugeneweb.com>> wrote:
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>> I can offer some offsite storage
>>                                 for the shooting gallery in Veneta.
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>>  Clif
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>> On 01/31/2014 08:18 AM, Rick
>>                                 Osgood wrote:
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>> During the space improvement
>>                                 night we got to discussing the target
>>                                 >>> shooting range project again.
>>                                  This can be a touchy subject because
>>                                 some
>>                                 >>> members put a lot of time and
>>                                 money into this project already.
>>                                  Some other
>>                                 >>> members feel that it takes up too
>>                                 much space for the value it brings to
>>                                 EMS,
>>                                 >>> and some also question the value
>>                                 it would bring even if it was
>>                                 finished and
>>                                 >>> functional (in comparison to the
>>                                 space it takes up)
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>> We've had several email threads
>>                                 about this subject in the past and they
>>                                 >>> generally end with people saying
>>                                 they don't want to scrap the project and
>>                                 >>> they will help out on the
>>                                 project, but only a couple of people
>>                                 ever seem to
>>                                 >>> actually follow through.  And
>>                                 unfortunately those people don't have
>>                                 the time
>>                                 >>> or funding to finish it right
>>                                 now.  At this point something has to
>>                                 be done.
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>> We believe there are a few
>>                                 options for this project:
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>> Option 1. We can disassemble the
>>                                 project.  People can take their stuff
>>                                 >>> back and useful unclaimed parts
>>                                 can go into bins for public use.
>>                                  Maybe we
>>                                 >>> can save some pieces for display?
>>                                  Like Bob the robot or the awesome ammo
>>                                 >>> case with guns inside.  Anything
>>                                 that can be displayed without taking
>>                                 up too
>>                                 >>> much space.  The rest gets
>>                                 recycled or thrown away.
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>> Option 2. The team needs to start
>>                                 paying for project storage as per the
>>                                 >>> EMS storage policy.
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>> Option 3. If the team doesn't
>>                                 want to pay, the team needs to get 51% of
>>                                 >>> the membership to approve the
>>                                 project as a sponsored project as per
>>                                 the EMS
>>                                 >>> storage policy.
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>> Option 4. The team can take the
>>                                 project off site to store it/work on it
>>                                 >>> until they can find the time to
>>                                 put more work into it.
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>> I think it would be fair to take
>>                                 a week to discuss this and let the
>>                                 >>> members who are involved make a
>>                                 decision.  Then we can move forward as a
>>                                 >>> community from there.  Let's have
>>                                 the discussion in this thread and figure
>>                                 >>> it out.  I'll send out an update
>>                                 on 2/7/2014 so this isn't forgotten.
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>> Rick
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>>
>>                                 >>>
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