[EMS Discuss] Target range - Elephant in the room?

Ben Hallert ben at hallert.net
Thu Feb 20 16:04:24 PST 2014


Hi Clif,

I thought that was fairly clear in my mail, but perhaps I didn't phrase it
properly; Yes, I have a trailer that can probably carry it and a car that
can pull the trailer.

Ben

- Ben


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:

>  So here is my email from just two days ago:
>
> On 02/18/2014 10:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:
>
> So my offer still stands to help transport the Gallery out to the storage
> area in Veneta. We probably need a trailer unless it can be partially
> disassembled enough to fit under my camper top. Otherwise I think the tare
> down day is this Saturday.
>
>     Clif
>
>
> Ben, are you offering your trailer?
>
>     Clif
>
>
> On 02/20/2014 03:52 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>
> That's good because the trailers would complicate my ability to haul it to
> wherever.  The bed on the trailer is 6' long and we can have some overhang,
> I think it should fit with a little swearing.  Is it going somewhere to rot
> or some place good?  If it's going to rot in someone's barn as a 'possible
> future project', we might want to do the tear down but that's just my
> opinion.
>
> - Ben
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm happy to help load it into a trailer on Saturday instead of tear it
>> down if that's what you guys want to do.  I think Cord wants the bike
>> trailers off of it regardless though.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Ben Hallert <ben at hallert.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  If it gets torn down, I want to participate and claim some parts.  If
>>> anyone is invested in transporting it to the mysterious Veneta deep freeze
>>> storage compound, I have a trailer and can probably haul it with
>>> assistance.
>>>
>>>  Ben
>>>
>>> - Ben
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is anyone planning to come on Saturday and help tear this thing down?
>>>>  I haven't even heard anyone say that they want any of the parts from it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's been a week and there has been no movement on this.  I'm
>>>>> scheduling a *tear down* day for *Saturday, February 22 at 1:00PM*.
>>>>> If someone wants to haul the thing away for off-site storage before then,
>>>>> that's fine.  I know Cord has mentioned that he wants the bike trailers
>>>>> before it gets stored off site somewhere so just make sure you talk to him
>>>>> about that first.  Also, if you take it, please announce it here so
>>>>> everyone knows who did what, and why.
>>>>>
>>>>>  If you have some parts on the target gallery that you need saved and
>>>>> you can't make it to the tear down, please make it known publicly so they
>>>>> can be set aside for you.  Maybe we can bring some beers and pizza and make
>>>>> this fun?  We'll iron out the details as the day approaches.  I have it on
>>>>> the EMS calendar.  If you like to break things apart, please show up and
>>>>> help out.  The more people we have, ideally the more fun it will be and the
>>>>> faster we will get this done.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Rick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Benjamin Hallert <ben at vipmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If we need to transport it, I have a small truckbed trailer that
>>>>>> might be able to handle it. I can bring the trailer by the shop and we can
>>>>>> brainstorm to see if it could move it or not.
>>>>>> - Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do realize it's not going anywhere until the snow and ice is
>>>>>>> melted.  We need an answer for who is doing what and when so it doesn't sit
>>>>>>> around for another month or two while everyone waits for someone else to do
>>>>>>> something.  I don't see why someone can't commit to taking it and just say
>>>>>>> when they think they can do it.  If no one commits to taking it then we
>>>>>>> have to break it down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Well why don't we talk about it next week when the roads are clear
>>>>>>>> again. Though I was just out having fun in my truck.
>>>>>>>> Also it won't fit in my truck because of the camper shell so we'll
>>>>>>>> either need a trailer or another truck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Ciao!
>>>>>>>>     Clif
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 03:55 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK it sounds like maybe the plan is to move the target range
>>>>>>>> somewhere else.  Clif was the only person who seemed to know an off site
>>>>>>>> location suitable.  Who is going to bring the project there and when?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Weston Turner <wstnturner at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your input Taper,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like the idea of off-siting it too. That way the project can at
>>>>>>>>> least be resumed at a later date, and it won't be taking up space at the
>>>>>>>>> Makerspace. It seems like a good compromise solution to me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Weston
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > On Feb 7, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Taper Wickel <taper at waxwolf.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > I was the only other person besides Cord working on it -- and
>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>> > have no time to work on it for quite a while, what with stuff.
>>>>>>>>>  I kind
>>>>>>>>> > of like the idea of off-siting it for a while, but if no one else
>>>>>>>>> > wants to work on it going forward it might be best to tear it
>>>>>>>>> down.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Taper.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Rick Osgood <
>>>>>>>>> rick at richardosgood.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> Just a reminder that it's been just about a week since this was
>>>>>>>>> sent out.
>>>>>>>>> >> Has the team decided what to do?  I only heard two people chime
>>>>>>>>> in that
>>>>>>>>> >> disassembling it was reasonable but that there was also
>>>>>>>>> possible storage for
>>>>>>>>> >> the project as-is in Veneta.  Any more thoughts?
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> I can offer some offsite storage for the shooting gallery in
>>>>>>>>> Veneta.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>    Clif
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On 01/31/2014 08:18 AM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> During the space improvement night we got to discussing the
>>>>>>>>> target
>>>>>>>>> >>> shooting range project again.  This can be a touchy subject
>>>>>>>>> because some
>>>>>>>>> >>> members put a lot of time and money into this project already.
>>>>>>>>>  Some other
>>>>>>>>> >>> members feel that it takes up too much space for the value it
>>>>>>>>> brings to EMS,
>>>>>>>>> >>> and some also question the value it would bring even if it was
>>>>>>>>> finished and
>>>>>>>>> >>> functional (in comparison to the space it takes up)
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> We've had several email threads about this subject in the past
>>>>>>>>> and they
>>>>>>>>> >>> generally end with people saying they don't want to scrap the
>>>>>>>>> project and
>>>>>>>>> >>> they will help out on the project, but only a couple of people
>>>>>>>>> ever seem to
>>>>>>>>> >>> actually follow through.  And unfortunately those people don't
>>>>>>>>> have the time
>>>>>>>>> >>> or funding to finish it right now.  At this point something
>>>>>>>>> has to be done.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> We believe there are a few options for this project:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 1. We can disassemble the project.  People can take
>>>>>>>>> their stuff
>>>>>>>>> >>> back and useful unclaimed parts can go into bins for public
>>>>>>>>> use.  Maybe we
>>>>>>>>> >>> can save some pieces for display?  Like Bob the robot or the
>>>>>>>>> awesome ammo
>>>>>>>>> >>> case with guns inside.  Anything that can be displayed without
>>>>>>>>> taking up too
>>>>>>>>> >>> much space.  The rest gets recycled or thrown away.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 2. The team needs to start paying for project storage
>>>>>>>>> as per the
>>>>>>>>> >>> EMS storage policy.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 3. If the team doesn't want to pay, the team needs to
>>>>>>>>> get 51% of
>>>>>>>>> >>> the membership to approve the project as a sponsored project
>>>>>>>>> as per the EMS
>>>>>>>>> >>> storage policy.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 4. The team can take the project off site to store
>>>>>>>>> it/work on it
>>>>>>>>> >>> until they can find the time to put more work into it.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> I think it would be fair to take a week to discuss this and
>>>>>>>>> let the
>>>>>>>>> >>> members who are involved make a decision.  Then we can move
>>>>>>>>> forward as a
>>>>>>>>> >>> community from there.  Let's have the discussion in this
>>>>>>>>> thread and figure
>>>>>>>>> >>> it out.  I'll send out an update on 2/7/2014 so this isn't
>>>>>>>>> forgotten.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Rick
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
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