[EMS Discuss] Target range - Elephant in the room?

Mr. Clif clif at eugeneweb.com
Thu Feb 20 16:10:10 PST 2014


Ohhhhh you don't need a truck, sorry I didn't pick up on that. I'd be 
happy to go out there with you and help move it to it's resting 
place.... ;-)

     Clif

On 02/20/2014 04:04 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
> Hi Clif,
>
> I thought that was fairly clear in my mail, but perhaps I didn't 
> phrase it properly; Yes, I have a trailer that can probably carry it 
> and a car that can pull the trailer.
>
> Ben
>
> - Ben
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com 
> <mailto:clif at eugeneweb.com>> wrote:
>
>     So here is my email from just two days ago:
>
>     On 02/18/2014 10:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:
>>     So my offer still stands to help transport the Gallery out to the
>>     storage area in Veneta. We probably need a trailer unless it can
>>     be partially disassembled enough to fit under my camper top.
>>     Otherwise I think the tare down day is this Saturday.
>>
>>         Clif
>
>     Ben, are you offering your trailer?
>
>         Clif
>
>
>     On 02/20/2014 03:52 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>>     That's good because the trailers would complicate my ability to
>>     haul it to wherever.  The bed on the trailer is 6' long and we
>>     can have some overhang, I think it should fit with a little
>>     swearing.  Is it going somewhere to rot or some place good?  If
>>     it's going to rot in someone's barn as a 'possible future
>>     project', we might want to do the tear down but that's just my
>>     opinion.
>>
>>     - Ben
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Rick Osgood
>>     <rick at richardosgood.com <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         I'm happy to help load it into a trailer on Saturday instead
>>         of tear it down if that's what you guys want to do.  I think
>>         Cord wants the bike trailers off of it regardless though.
>>
>>
>>         On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Ben Hallert <ben at hallert.net
>>         <mailto:ben at hallert.net>> wrote:
>>
>>             If it gets torn down, I want to participate and claim
>>             some parts.  If anyone is invested in transporting it to
>>             the mysterious Veneta deep freeze storage compound, I
>>             have a trailer and can probably haul it with assistance.
>>
>>             Ben
>>
>>             - Ben
>>
>>
>>             On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Rick Osgood
>>             <rick at richardosgood.com <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>>
>>             wrote:
>>
>>                 Is anyone planning to come on Saturday and help tear
>>                 this thing down?  I haven't even heard anyone say
>>                 that they want any of the parts from it.
>>
>>
>>                 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Rick Osgood
>>                 <rick at richardosgood.com
>>                 <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                     It's been a week and there has been no movement
>>                     on this.  I'm scheduling a *tear down* day for
>>                     *Saturday, February 22 at 1:00PM*. If someone
>>                     wants to haul the thing away for off-site storage
>>                     before then, that's fine.  I know Cord has
>>                     mentioned that he wants the bike trailers before
>>                     it gets stored off site somewhere so just make
>>                     sure you talk to him about that first.  Also, if
>>                     you take it, please announce it here so everyone
>>                     knows who did what, and why.
>>
>>                     If you have some parts on the target gallery that
>>                     you need saved and you can't make it to the tear
>>                     down, please make it known publicly so they can
>>                     be set aside for you.  Maybe we can bring some
>>                     beers and pizza and make this fun?  We'll iron
>>                     out the details as the day approaches.  I have it
>>                     on the EMS calendar.  If you like to break things
>>                     apart, please show up and help out.  The more
>>                     people we have, ideally the more fun it will be
>>                     and the faster we will get this done.
>>
>>                     Rick
>>
>>
>>                     On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Benjamin Hallert
>>                     <ben at vipmail.com <mailto:ben at vipmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                         If we need to transport it, I have a small
>>                         truckbed trailer that might be able to handle
>>                         it. I can bring the trailer by the shop and
>>                         we can brainstorm to see if it could move it
>>                         or not.
>>                         - Ben
>>
>>
>>                         On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Rick Osgood
>>                         <rick at richardosgood.com
>>                         <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                             I do realize it's not going anywhere
>>                             until the snow and ice is melted.  We
>>                             need an answer for who is doing what and
>>                             when so it doesn't sit around for another
>>                             month or two while everyone waits for
>>                             someone else to do something.  I don't
>>                             see why someone can't commit to taking it
>>                             and just say when they think they can do
>>                             it.  If no one commits to taking it then
>>                             we have to break it down.
>>
>>
>>                             On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Mr. Clif
>>                             <clif at eugeneweb.com
>>                             <mailto:clif at eugeneweb.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                                 Well why don't we talk about it next
>>                                 week when the roads are clear again.
>>                                 Though I was just out having fun in
>>                                 my truck.
>>                                 Also it won't fit in my truck because
>>                                 of the camper shell so we'll either
>>                                 need a trailer or another truck.
>>
>>                                     Ciao!
>>                                     Clif
>>
>>
>>                                 On 02/07/2014 03:55 PM, Rick Osgood
>>                                 wrote:
>>>                                 OK it sounds like maybe the plan is
>>>                                 to move the target range somewhere
>>>                                 else.  Clif was the only person who
>>>                                 seemed to know an off site location
>>>                                 suitable.  Who is going to bring the
>>>                                 project there and when?
>>>
>>>
>>>                                 On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM,
>>>                                 Weston Turner <wstnturner at gmail.com
>>>                                 <mailto:wstnturner at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                                     Thanks for your input Taper,
>>>
>>>                                     I like the idea of off-siting it
>>>                                     too. That way the project can at
>>>                                     least be resumed at a later
>>>                                     date, and it won't be taking up
>>>                                     space at the Makerspace. It
>>>                                     seems like a good compromise
>>>                                     solution to me.
>>>
>>>                                     Regards,
>>>                                     Weston
>>>
>>>                                     > On Feb 7, 2014, at 1:02 PM,
>>>                                     Taper Wickel <taper at waxwolf.com
>>>                                     <mailto:taper at waxwolf.com>> wrote:
>>>                                     >
>>>                                     > I was the only other person
>>>                                     besides Cord working on it --
>>>                                     and I'll
>>>                                     > have no time to work on it for
>>>                                     quite a while, what with stuff.
>>>                                      I kind
>>>                                     > of like the idea of off-siting
>>>                                     it for a while, but if no one else
>>>                                     > wants to work on it going
>>>                                     forward it might be best to tear
>>>                                     it down.
>>>                                     >
>>>                                     > Taper.
>>>                                     >
>>>                                     >
>>>                                     >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:54
>>>                                     AM, Rick Osgood
>>>                                     <rick at richardosgood.com
>>>                                     <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>>
>>>                                     wrote:
>>>                                     >> Just a reminder that it's
>>>                                     been just about a week since
>>>                                     this was sent out.
>>>                                     >> Has the team decided what to
>>>                                     do?  I only heard two people
>>>                                     chime in that
>>>                                     >> disassembling it was
>>>                                     reasonable but that there was
>>>                                     also possible storage for
>>>                                     >> the project as-is in Veneta.
>>>                                      Any more thoughts?
>>>                                     >>
>>>                                     >>
>>>                                     >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at
>>>                                     11:39 AM, Mr. Clif
>>>                                     <clif at eugeneweb.com
>>>                                     <mailto:clif at eugeneweb.com>> wrote:
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>> I can offer some offsite
>>>                                     storage for the shooting gallery
>>>                                     in Veneta.
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>>  Clif
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>> On 01/31/2014 08:18 AM, Rick
>>>                                     Osgood wrote:
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>> During the space improvement
>>>                                     night we got to discussing the
>>>                                     target
>>>                                     >>> shooting range project
>>>                                     again.  This can be a touchy
>>>                                     subject because some
>>>                                     >>> members put a lot of time
>>>                                     and money into this project
>>>                                     already.  Some other
>>>                                     >>> members feel that it takes
>>>                                     up too much space for the value
>>>                                     it brings to EMS,
>>>                                     >>> and some also question the
>>>                                     value it would bring even if it
>>>                                     was finished and
>>>                                     >>> functional (in comparison to
>>>                                     the space it takes up)
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>> We've had several email
>>>                                     threads about this subject in
>>>                                     the past and they
>>>                                     >>> generally end with people
>>>                                     saying they don't want to scrap
>>>                                     the project and
>>>                                     >>> they will help out on the
>>>                                     project, but only a couple of
>>>                                     people ever seem to
>>>                                     >>> actually follow through.
>>>                                      And unfortunately those people
>>>                                     don't have the time
>>>                                     >>> or funding to finish it
>>>                                     right now.  At this point
>>>                                     something has to be done.
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>> We believe there are a few
>>>                                     options for this project:
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>> Option 1. We can disassemble
>>>                                     the project.  People can take
>>>                                     their stuff
>>>                                     >>> back and useful unclaimed
>>>                                     parts can go into bins for
>>>                                     public use.  Maybe we
>>>                                     >>> can save some pieces for
>>>                                     display?  Like Bob the robot or
>>>                                     the awesome ammo
>>>                                     >>> case with guns inside.
>>>                                      Anything that can be displayed
>>>                                     without taking up too
>>>                                     >>> much space.  The rest gets
>>>                                     recycled or thrown away.
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>> Option 2. The team needs to
>>>                                     start paying for project storage
>>>                                     as per the
>>>                                     >>> EMS storage policy.
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>> Option 3. If the team
>>>                                     doesn't want to pay, the team
>>>                                     needs to get 51% of
>>>                                     >>> the membership to approve
>>>                                     the project as a sponsored
>>>                                     project as per the EMS
>>>                                     >>> storage policy.
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>> Option 4. The team can take
>>>                                     the project off site to store
>>>                                     it/work on it
>>>                                     >>> until they can find the time
>>>                                     to put more work into it.
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>> I think it would be fair to
>>>                                     take a week to discuss this and
>>>                                     let the
>>>                                     >>> members who are involved
>>>                                     make a decision.  Then we can
>>>                                     move forward as a
>>>                                     >>> community from there.  Let's
>>>                                     have the discussion in this
>>>                                     thread and figure
>>>                                     >>> it out.  I'll send out an
>>>                                     update on 2/7/2014 so this isn't
>>>                                     forgotten.
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>> Rick
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>>
>>>                                     >>>
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