[EMS Discuss] Target range - Elephant in the room?

Rick Osgood rick at richardosgood.com
Thu Feb 20 16:11:25 PST 2014


I'll be there at 1 to help do whatever.  Sounds like it's getting moved to
Veneta so let's plan on removing the bicycle trailers from the thing and
then loading it into the trailer.  Then you guys can take it wherever you
want.


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:

>  Ohhhhh you don't need a truck, sorry I didn't pick up on that. I'd be
> happy to go out there with you and help move it to it's resting place....
> ;-)
>
>     Clif
>
>
> On 02/20/2014 04:04 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>
>  Hi Clif,
>
>  I thought that was fairly clear in my mail, but perhaps I didn't phrase
> it properly; Yes, I have a trailer that can probably carry it and a car
> that can pull the trailer.
>
>  Ben
>
> - Ben
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>
>>  So here is my email from just two days ago:
>>
>> On 02/18/2014 10:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:
>>
>> So my offer still stands to help transport the Gallery out to the storage
>> area in Veneta. We probably need a trailer unless it can be partially
>> disassembled enough to fit under my camper top. Otherwise I think the tare
>> down day is this Saturday.
>>
>>     Clif
>>
>>
>> Ben, are you offering your trailer?
>>
>>     Clif
>>
>>
>> On 02/20/2014 03:52 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>>
>> That's good because the trailers would complicate my ability to haul it
>> to wherever.  The bed on the trailer is 6' long and we can have some
>> overhang, I think it should fit with a little swearing.  Is it going
>> somewhere to rot or some place good?  If it's going to rot in someone's
>> barn as a 'possible future project', we might want to do the tear down but
>> that's just my opinion.
>>
>> - Ben
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I'm happy to help load it into a trailer on Saturday instead of tear it
>>> down if that's what you guys want to do.  I think Cord wants the bike
>>> trailers off of it regardless though.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Ben Hallert <ben at hallert.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  If it gets torn down, I want to participate and claim some parts.  If
>>>> anyone is invested in transporting it to the mysterious Veneta deep freeze
>>>> storage compound, I have a trailer and can probably haul it with
>>>> assistance.
>>>>
>>>>  Ben
>>>>
>>>> - Ben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone planning to come on Saturday and help tear this thing down?
>>>>>  I haven't even heard anyone say that they want any of the parts from it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's been a week and there has been no movement on this.  I'm
>>>>>> scheduling a *tear down* day for *Saturday, February 22 at 1:00PM*.
>>>>>> If someone wants to haul the thing away for off-site storage before then,
>>>>>> that's fine.  I know Cord has mentioned that he wants the bike trailers
>>>>>> before it gets stored off site somewhere so just make sure you talk to him
>>>>>> about that first.  Also, if you take it, please announce it here so
>>>>>> everyone knows who did what, and why.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  If you have some parts on the target gallery that you need saved
>>>>>> and you can't make it to the tear down, please make it known publicly so
>>>>>> they can be set aside for you.  Maybe we can bring some beers and pizza and
>>>>>> make this fun?  We'll iron out the details as the day approaches.  I have
>>>>>> it on the EMS calendar.  If you like to break things apart, please show up
>>>>>> and help out.  The more people we have, ideally the more fun it will be and
>>>>>> the faster we will get this done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Rick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Benjamin Hallert <ben at vipmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we need to transport it, I have a small truckbed trailer that
>>>>>>> might be able to handle it. I can bring the trailer by the shop and we can
>>>>>>> brainstorm to see if it could move it or not.
>>>>>>> - Ben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do realize it's not going anywhere until the snow and ice is
>>>>>>>> melted.  We need an answer for who is doing what and when so it doesn't sit
>>>>>>>> around for another month or two while everyone waits for someone else to do
>>>>>>>> something.  I don't see why someone can't commit to taking it and just say
>>>>>>>> when they think they can do it.  If no one commits to taking it then we
>>>>>>>> have to break it down.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Well why don't we talk about it next week when the roads are
>>>>>>>>> clear again. Though I was just out having fun in my truck.
>>>>>>>>> Also it won't fit in my truck because of the camper shell so we'll
>>>>>>>>> either need a trailer or another truck.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>     Clif
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 03:55 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK it sounds like maybe the plan is to move the target range
>>>>>>>>> somewhere else.  Clif was the only person who seemed to know an off site
>>>>>>>>> location suitable.  Who is going to bring the project there and when?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Weston Turner <
>>>>>>>>> wstnturner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your input Taper,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea of off-siting it too. That way the project can at
>>>>>>>>>> least be resumed at a later date, and it won't be taking up space at the
>>>>>>>>>> Makerspace. It seems like a good compromise solution to me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Weston
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > On Feb 7, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Taper Wickel <taper at waxwolf.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > I was the only other person besides Cord working on it -- and
>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>> > have no time to work on it for quite a while, what with stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>  I kind
>>>>>>>>>> > of like the idea of off-siting it for a while, but if no one
>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>> > wants to work on it going forward it might be best to tear it
>>>>>>>>>> down.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Taper.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Rick Osgood <
>>>>>>>>>> rick at richardosgood.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> Just a reminder that it's been just about a week since this
>>>>>>>>>> was sent out.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Has the team decided what to do?  I only heard two people
>>>>>>>>>> chime in that
>>>>>>>>>> >> disassembling it was reasonable but that there was also
>>>>>>>>>> possible storage for
>>>>>>>>>> >> the project as-is in Veneta.  Any more thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Mr. Clif <
>>>>>>>>>> clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> I can offer some offsite storage for the shooting gallery in
>>>>>>>>>> Veneta.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>    Clif
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 01/31/2014 08:18 AM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> During the space improvement night we got to discussing the
>>>>>>>>>> target
>>>>>>>>>> >>> shooting range project again.  This can be a touchy subject
>>>>>>>>>> because some
>>>>>>>>>> >>> members put a lot of time and money into this project
>>>>>>>>>> already.  Some other
>>>>>>>>>> >>> members feel that it takes up too much space for the value it
>>>>>>>>>> brings to EMS,
>>>>>>>>>> >>> and some also question the value it would bring even if it
>>>>>>>>>> was finished and
>>>>>>>>>> >>> functional (in comparison to the space it takes up)
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> We've had several email threads about this subject in the
>>>>>>>>>> past and they
>>>>>>>>>> >>> generally end with people saying they don't want to scrap the
>>>>>>>>>> project and
>>>>>>>>>> >>> they will help out on the project, but only a couple of
>>>>>>>>>> people ever seem to
>>>>>>>>>> >>> actually follow through.  And unfortunately those people
>>>>>>>>>> don't have the time
>>>>>>>>>> >>> or funding to finish it right now.  At this point something
>>>>>>>>>> has to be done.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> We believe there are a few options for this project:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 1. We can disassemble the project.  People can take
>>>>>>>>>> their stuff
>>>>>>>>>> >>> back and useful unclaimed parts can go into bins for public
>>>>>>>>>> use.  Maybe we
>>>>>>>>>> >>> can save some pieces for display?  Like Bob the robot or the
>>>>>>>>>> awesome ammo
>>>>>>>>>> >>> case with guns inside.  Anything that can be displayed
>>>>>>>>>> without taking up too
>>>>>>>>>> >>> much space.  The rest gets recycled or thrown away.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 2. The team needs to start paying for project storage
>>>>>>>>>> as per the
>>>>>>>>>> >>> EMS storage policy.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 3. If the team doesn't want to pay, the team needs to
>>>>>>>>>> get 51% of
>>>>>>>>>> >>> the membership to approve the project as a sponsored project
>>>>>>>>>> as per the EMS
>>>>>>>>>> >>> storage policy.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 4. The team can take the project off site to store
>>>>>>>>>> it/work on it
>>>>>>>>>> >>> until they can find the time to put more work into it.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> I think it would be fair to take a week to discuss this and
>>>>>>>>>> let the
>>>>>>>>>> >>> members who are involved make a decision.  Then we can move
>>>>>>>>>> forward as a
>>>>>>>>>> >>> community from there.  Let's have the discussion in this
>>>>>>>>>> thread and figure
>>>>>>>>>> >>> it out.  I'll send out an update on 2/7/2014 so this isn't
>>>>>>>>>> forgotten.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Rick
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
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