[EMS Discuss] Target range - Elephant in the room?

Mr. Clif clif at eugeneweb.com
Thu Feb 20 16:15:38 PST 2014


My recommendation is to only move it if there is *Really* interest in 
completing it sometime this year. Otherwise those parts are likely to be 
lost or become unusable. Though I'm happy to go with the flow.

     Clif

On 02/20/2014 04:11 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
> I'll be there at 1 to help do whatever.  Sounds like it's getting 
> moved to Veneta so let's plan on removing the bicycle trailers from 
> the thing and then loading it into the trailer.  Then you guys can 
> take it wherever you want.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com 
> <mailto:clif at eugeneweb.com>> wrote:
>
>     Ohhhhh you don't need a truck, sorry I didn't pick up on that. I'd
>     be happy to go out there with you and help move it to it's resting
>     place.... ;-)
>
>         Clif
>
>
>     On 02/20/2014 04:04 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>>     Hi Clif,
>>
>>     I thought that was fairly clear in my mail, but perhaps I didn't
>>     phrase it properly; Yes, I have a trailer that can probably carry
>>     it and a car that can pull the trailer.
>>
>>     Ben
>>
>>     - Ben
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com
>>     <mailto:clif at eugeneweb.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         So here is my email from just two days ago:
>>
>>         On 02/18/2014 10:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>         So my offer still stands to help transport the Gallery out
>>>         to the storage area in Veneta. We probably need a trailer
>>>         unless it can be partially disassembled enough to fit under
>>>         my camper top. Otherwise I think the tare down day is this
>>>         Saturday.
>>>
>>>             Clif
>>
>>         Ben, are you offering your trailer?
>>
>>             Clif
>>
>>
>>         On 02/20/2014 03:52 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>>>         That's good because the trailers would complicate my ability
>>>         to haul it to wherever.  The bed on the trailer is 6' long
>>>         and we can have some overhang, I think it should fit with a
>>>         little swearing. Is it going somewhere to rot or some place
>>>         good?  If it's going to rot in someone's barn as a 'possible
>>>         future project', we might want to do the tear down but
>>>         that's just my opinion.
>>>
>>>         - Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Rick Osgood
>>>         <rick at richardosgood.com <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             I'm happy to help load it into a trailer on Saturday
>>>             instead of tear it down if that's what you guys want to
>>>             do.  I think Cord wants the bike trailers off of it
>>>             regardless though.
>>>
>>>
>>>             On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Ben Hallert
>>>             <ben at hallert.net <mailto:ben at hallert.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 If it gets torn down, I want to participate and
>>>                 claim some parts. If anyone is invested in
>>>                 transporting it to the mysterious Veneta deep freeze
>>>                 storage compound, I have a trailer and can probably
>>>                 haul it with assistance.
>>>
>>>                 Ben
>>>
>>>                 - Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>                 On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Rick Osgood
>>>                 <rick at richardosgood.com
>>>                 <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     Is anyone planning to come on Saturday and help
>>>                     tear this thing down?  I haven't even heard
>>>                     anyone say that they want any of the parts from it.
>>>
>>>
>>>                     On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Rick Osgood
>>>                     <rick at richardosgood.com
>>>                     <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         It's been a week and there has been no
>>>                         movement on this.  I'm scheduling a *tear
>>>                         down* day for *Saturday, February 22 at
>>>                         1:00PM*. If someone wants to haul the thing
>>>                         away for off-site storage before then,
>>>                         that's fine.  I know Cord has mentioned that
>>>                         he wants the bike trailers before it gets
>>>                         stored off site somewhere so just make sure
>>>                         you talk to him about that first.  Also, if
>>>                         you take it, please announce it here so
>>>                         everyone knows who did what, and why.
>>>
>>>                         If you have some parts on the target gallery
>>>                         that you need saved and you can't make it to
>>>                         the tear down, please make it known publicly
>>>                         so they can be set aside for you.  Maybe we
>>>                         can bring some beers and pizza and make this
>>>                         fun?  We'll iron out the details as the day
>>>                         approaches.  I have it on the EMS calendar.
>>>                          If you like to break things apart, please
>>>                         show up and help out.  The more people we
>>>                         have, ideally the more fun it will be and
>>>                         the faster we will get this done.
>>>
>>>                         Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>                         On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Benjamin
>>>                         Hallert <ben at vipmail.com
>>>                         <mailto:ben at vipmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                             If we need to transport it, I have a
>>>                             small truckbed trailer that might be
>>>                             able to handle it. I can bring the
>>>                             trailer by the shop and we can
>>>                             brainstorm to see if it could move it or
>>>                             not.
>>>                             - Ben
>>>
>>>
>>>                             On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Rick
>>>                             Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com
>>>                             <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                                 I do realize it's not going anywhere
>>>                                 until the snow and ice is melted.
>>>                                  We need an answer for who is doing
>>>                                 what and when so it doesn't sit
>>>                                 around for another month or two
>>>                                 while everyone waits for someone
>>>                                 else to do something.  I don't see
>>>                                 why someone can't commit to taking
>>>                                 it and just say when they think they
>>>                                 can do it.  If no one commits to
>>>                                 taking it then we have to break it down.
>>>
>>>
>>>                                 On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Mr.
>>>                                 Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com
>>>                                 <mailto:clif at eugeneweb.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                                     Well why don't we talk about it
>>>                                     next week when the roads are
>>>                                     clear again. Though I was just
>>>                                     out having fun in my truck.
>>>                                     Also it won't fit in my truck
>>>                                     because of the camper shell so
>>>                                     we'll either need a trailer or
>>>                                     another truck.
>>>
>>>                                         Ciao!
>>>                                         Clif
>>>
>>>
>>>                                     On 02/07/2014 03:55 PM, Rick
>>>                                     Osgood wrote:
>>>>                                     OK it sounds like maybe the
>>>>                                     plan is to move the target
>>>>                                     range somewhere else.  Clif was
>>>>                                     the only person who seemed to
>>>>                                     know an off site location
>>>>                                     suitable.  Who is going to
>>>>                                     bring the project there and when?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                     On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM,
>>>>                                     Weston Turner
>>>>                                     <wstnturner at gmail.com
>>>>                                     <mailto:wstnturner at gmail.com>>
>>>>                                     wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                                         Thanks for your input Taper,
>>>>
>>>>                                         I like the idea of
>>>>                                         off-siting it too. That way
>>>>                                         the project can at least be
>>>>                                         resumed at a later date,
>>>>                                         and it won't be taking up
>>>>                                         space at the Makerspace. It
>>>>                                         seems like a good
>>>>                                         compromise solution to me.
>>>>
>>>>                                         Regards,
>>>>                                         Weston
>>>>
>>>>                                         > On Feb 7, 2014, at 1:02
>>>>                                         PM, Taper Wickel
>>>>                                         <taper at waxwolf.com
>>>>                                         <mailto:taper at waxwolf.com>>
>>>>                                         wrote:
>>>>                                         >
>>>>                                         > I was the only other
>>>>                                         person besides Cord working
>>>>                                         on it -- and I'll
>>>>                                         > have no time to work on
>>>>                                         it for quite a while, what
>>>>                                         with stuff.  I kind
>>>>                                         > of like the idea of
>>>>                                         off-siting it for a while,
>>>>                                         but if no one else
>>>>                                         > wants to work on it going
>>>>                                         forward it might be best to
>>>>                                         tear it down.
>>>>                                         >
>>>>                                         > Taper.
>>>>                                         >
>>>>                                         >
>>>>                                         >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at
>>>>                                         11:54 AM, Rick Osgood
>>>>                                         <rick at richardosgood.com
>>>>                                         <mailto:rick at richardosgood.com>>
>>>>                                         wrote:
>>>>                                         >> Just a reminder that
>>>>                                         it's been just about a week
>>>>                                         since this was sent out.
>>>>                                         >> Has the team decided
>>>>                                         what to do?  I only heard
>>>>                                         two people chime in that
>>>>                                         >> disassembling it was
>>>>                                         reasonable but that there
>>>>                                         was also possible storage for
>>>>                                         >> the project as-is in
>>>>                                         Veneta.  Any more thoughts?
>>>>                                         >>
>>>>                                         >>
>>>>                                         >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at
>>>>                                         11:39 AM, Mr. Clif
>>>>                                         <clif at eugeneweb.com
>>>>                                         <mailto:clif at eugeneweb.com>> wrote:
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>> I can offer some
>>>>                                         offsite storage for the
>>>>                                         shooting gallery in Veneta.
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>>  Clif
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>> On 01/31/2014 08:18 AM,
>>>>                                         Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>> During the space
>>>>                                         improvement night we got to
>>>>                                         discussing the target
>>>>                                         >>> shooting range project
>>>>                                         again.  This can be a
>>>>                                         touchy subject because some
>>>>                                         >>> members put a lot of
>>>>                                         time and money into this
>>>>                                         project already.  Some other
>>>>                                         >>> members feel that it
>>>>                                         takes up too much space for
>>>>                                         the value it brings to EMS,
>>>>                                         >>> and some also question
>>>>                                         the value it would bring
>>>>                                         even if it was finished and
>>>>                                         >>> functional (in
>>>>                                         comparison to the space it
>>>>                                         takes up)
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>> We've had several email
>>>>                                         threads about this subject
>>>>                                         in the past and they
>>>>                                         >>> generally end with
>>>>                                         people saying they don't
>>>>                                         want to scrap the project and
>>>>                                         >>> they will help out on
>>>>                                         the project, but only a
>>>>                                         couple of people ever seem to
>>>>                                         >>> actually follow
>>>>                                         through.  And unfortunately
>>>>                                         those people don't have the
>>>>                                         time
>>>>                                         >>> or funding to finish it
>>>>                                         right now.  At this point
>>>>                                         something has to be done.
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>> We believe there are a
>>>>                                         few options for this project:
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>> Option 1. We can
>>>>                                         disassemble the project.
>>>>                                          People can take their stuff
>>>>                                         >>> back and useful
>>>>                                         unclaimed parts can go into
>>>>                                         bins for public use.  Maybe we
>>>>                                         >>> can save some pieces
>>>>                                         for display?  Like Bob the
>>>>                                         robot or the awesome ammo
>>>>                                         >>> case with guns inside.
>>>>                                          Anything that can be
>>>>                                         displayed without taking up too
>>>>                                         >>> much space.  The rest
>>>>                                         gets recycled or thrown away.
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>> Option 2. The team
>>>>                                         needs to start paying for
>>>>                                         project storage as per the
>>>>                                         >>> EMS storage policy.
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>> Option 3. If the team
>>>>                                         doesn't want to pay, the
>>>>                                         team needs to get 51% of
>>>>                                         >>> the membership to
>>>>                                         approve the project as a
>>>>                                         sponsored project as per
>>>>                                         the EMS
>>>>                                         >>> storage policy.
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>> Option 4. The team can
>>>>                                         take the project off site
>>>>                                         to store it/work on it
>>>>                                         >>> until they can find the
>>>>                                         time to put more work into it.
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>> I think it would be
>>>>                                         fair to take a week to
>>>>                                         discuss this and let the
>>>>                                         >>> members who are
>>>>                                         involved make a decision.
>>>>                                          Then we can move forward as a
>>>>                                         >>> community from there.
>>>>                                          Let's have the discussion
>>>>                                         in this thread and figure
>>>>                                         >>> it out.  I'll send out
>>>>                                         an update on 2/7/2014 so
>>>>                                         this isn't forgotten.
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>> Rick
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>>
>>>>                                         >>>
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