[EMS Discuss] Target range - Elephant in the room?

Ben Hallert ben at hallert.net
Thu Feb 20 16:18:02 PST 2014


> My recommendation is to only move it if there is *Really* interest in
completing it sometime this year.
> Otherwise those parts are likely to be lost or become unusable. Though
I'm happy to go with the flow.

My thought as well.  Cord/Taper, thoughts?  I'm game (I did a little work a
couple weeks ago but am not willing to be lone cheerleader here).

Ben

- Ben


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:

>  My recommendation is to only move it if there is *Really* interest in
> completing it sometime this year. Otherwise those parts are likely to be
> lost or become unusable. Though I'm happy to go with the flow.
>
>     Clif
>
>
> On 02/20/2014 04:11 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>
> I'll be there at 1 to help do whatever.  Sounds like it's getting moved to
> Veneta so let's plan on removing the bicycle trailers from the thing and
> then loading it into the trailer.  Then you guys can take it wherever you
> want.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>
>>  Ohhhhh you don't need a truck, sorry I didn't pick up on that. I'd be
>> happy to go out there with you and help move it to it's resting place....
>> ;-)
>>
>>     Clif
>>
>>
>> On 02/20/2014 04:04 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Clif,
>>
>>  I thought that was fairly clear in my mail, but perhaps I didn't phrase
>> it properly; Yes, I have a trailer that can probably carry it and a car
>> that can pull the trailer.
>>
>>  Ben
>>
>> - Ben
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  So here is my email from just two days ago:
>>>
>>> On 02/18/2014 10:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>
>>> So my offer still stands to help transport the Gallery out to the
>>> storage area in Veneta. We probably need a trailer unless it can be
>>> partially disassembled enough to fit under my camper top. Otherwise I think
>>> the tare down day is this Saturday.
>>>
>>>     Clif
>>>
>>>
>>> Ben, are you offering your trailer?
>>>
>>>     Clif
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/20/2014 03:52 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>>>
>>> That's good because the trailers would complicate my ability to haul it
>>> to wherever.  The bed on the trailer is 6' long and we can have some
>>> overhang, I think it should fit with a little swearing.  Is it going
>>> somewhere to rot or some place good?  If it's going to rot in someone's
>>> barn as a 'possible future project', we might want to do the tear down but
>>> that's just my opinion.
>>>
>>> - Ben
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm happy to help load it into a trailer on Saturday instead of tear it
>>>> down if that's what you guys want to do.  I think Cord wants the bike
>>>> trailers off of it regardless though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Ben Hallert <ben at hallert.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  If it gets torn down, I want to participate and claim some parts.
>>>>> If anyone is invested in transporting it to the mysterious Veneta deep
>>>>> freeze storage compound, I have a trailer and can probably haul it with
>>>>> assistance.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Ben
>>>>>
>>>>> - Ben
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone planning to come on Saturday and help tear this thing down?
>>>>>>  I haven't even heard anyone say that they want any of the parts from it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's been a week and there has been no movement on this.  I'm
>>>>>>> scheduling a *tear down* day for *Saturday, February 22 at 1:00PM*.
>>>>>>> If someone wants to haul the thing away for off-site storage before then,
>>>>>>> that's fine.  I know Cord has mentioned that he wants the bike trailers
>>>>>>> before it gets stored off site somewhere so just make sure you talk to him
>>>>>>> about that first.  Also, if you take it, please announce it here so
>>>>>>> everyone knows who did what, and why.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  If you have some parts on the target gallery that you need saved
>>>>>>> and you can't make it to the tear down, please make it known publicly so
>>>>>>> they can be set aside for you.  Maybe we can bring some beers and pizza and
>>>>>>> make this fun?  We'll iron out the details as the day approaches.  I have
>>>>>>> it on the EMS calendar.  If you like to break things apart, please show up
>>>>>>> and help out.  The more people we have, ideally the more fun it will be and
>>>>>>> the faster we will get this done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Rick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Benjamin Hallert <ben at vipmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we need to transport it, I have a small truckbed trailer that
>>>>>>>> might be able to handle it. I can bring the trailer by the shop and we can
>>>>>>>> brainstorm to see if it could move it or not.
>>>>>>>> - Ben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Rick Osgood <
>>>>>>>> rick at richardosgood.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do realize it's not going anywhere until the snow and ice is
>>>>>>>>> melted.  We need an answer for who is doing what and when so it doesn't sit
>>>>>>>>> around for another month or two while everyone waits for someone else to do
>>>>>>>>> something.  I don't see why someone can't commit to taking it and just say
>>>>>>>>> when they think they can do it.  If no one commits to taking it then we
>>>>>>>>> have to break it down.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Well why don't we talk about it next week when the roads are
>>>>>>>>>> clear again. Though I was just out having fun in my truck.
>>>>>>>>>> Also it won't fit in my truck because of the camper shell so
>>>>>>>>>> we'll either need a trailer or another truck.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>     Clif
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 03:55 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK it sounds like maybe the plan is to move the target range
>>>>>>>>>> somewhere else.  Clif was the only person who seemed to know an off site
>>>>>>>>>> location suitable.  Who is going to bring the project there and when?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Weston Turner <
>>>>>>>>>> wstnturner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your input Taper,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea of off-siting it too. That way the project can
>>>>>>>>>>> at least be resumed at a later date, and it won't be taking up space at the
>>>>>>>>>>> Makerspace. It seems like a good compromise solution to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Weston
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Feb 7, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Taper Wickel <taper at waxwolf.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > I was the only other person besides Cord working on it -- and
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>> > have no time to work on it for quite a while, what with stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>  I kind
>>>>>>>>>>> > of like the idea of off-siting it for a while, but if no one
>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>> > wants to work on it going forward it might be best to tear it
>>>>>>>>>>> down.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Taper.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Rick Osgood <
>>>>>>>>>>> rick at richardosgood.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Just a reminder that it's been just about a week since this
>>>>>>>>>>> was sent out.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Has the team decided what to do?  I only heard two people
>>>>>>>>>>> chime in that
>>>>>>>>>>> >> disassembling it was reasonable but that there was also
>>>>>>>>>>> possible storage for
>>>>>>>>>>> >> the project as-is in Veneta.  Any more thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Mr. Clif <
>>>>>>>>>>> clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I can offer some offsite storage for the shooting gallery in
>>>>>>>>>>> Veneta.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>    Clif
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 01/31/2014 08:18 AM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> During the space improvement night we got to discussing the
>>>>>>>>>>> target
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> shooting range project again.  This can be a touchy subject
>>>>>>>>>>> because some
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members put a lot of time and money into this project
>>>>>>>>>>> already.  Some other
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members feel that it takes up too much space for the value
>>>>>>>>>>> it brings to EMS,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> and some also question the value it would bring even if it
>>>>>>>>>>> was finished and
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> functional (in comparison to the space it takes up)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> We've had several email threads about this subject in the
>>>>>>>>>>> past and they
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> generally end with people saying they don't want to scrap
>>>>>>>>>>> the project and
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> they will help out on the project, but only a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>> people ever seem to
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> actually follow through.  And unfortunately those people
>>>>>>>>>>> don't have the time
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> or funding to finish it right now.  At this point something
>>>>>>>>>>> has to be done.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> We believe there are a few options for this project:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 1. We can disassemble the project.  People can take
>>>>>>>>>>> their stuff
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> back and useful unclaimed parts can go into bins for public
>>>>>>>>>>> use.  Maybe we
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> can save some pieces for display?  Like Bob the robot or the
>>>>>>>>>>> awesome ammo
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> case with guns inside.  Anything that can be displayed
>>>>>>>>>>> without taking up too
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> much space.  The rest gets recycled or thrown away.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 2. The team needs to start paying for project storage
>>>>>>>>>>> as per the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> EMS storage policy.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 3. If the team doesn't want to pay, the team needs to
>>>>>>>>>>> get 51% of
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> the membership to approve the project as a sponsored project
>>>>>>>>>>> as per the EMS
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> storage policy.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 4. The team can take the project off site to store
>>>>>>>>>>> it/work on it
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> until they can find the time to put more work into it.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I think it would be fair to take a week to discuss this and
>>>>>>>>>>> let the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members who are involved make a decision.  Then we can move
>>>>>>>>>>> forward as a
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> community from there.  Let's have the discussion in this
>>>>>>>>>>> thread and figure
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> it out.  I'll send out an update on 2/7/2014 so this isn't
>>>>>>>>>>> forgotten.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Rick
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
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