[EMS Discuss] Target range - Elephant in the room?

Bob Miller kbob at jogger-egg.com
Thu Feb 20 16:41:31 PST 2014


I also volunteer to be there at 1:00 to help implement whatever plan
we decide upon by that time (including the default plan that involves
jackhammers, wrecking balls, and napalm (-: ).

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Ben Hallert <ben at hallert.net> wrote:
>> My recommendation is to only move it if there is *Really* interest in
>> completing it sometime this year.
>> Otherwise those parts are likely to be lost or become unusable. Though I'm
>> happy to go with the flow.
>
> My thought as well.  Cord/Taper, thoughts?  I'm game (I did a little work a
> couple weeks ago but am not willing to be lone cheerleader here).
>
> Ben
>
> - Ben
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>
>> My recommendation is to only move it if there is *Really* interest in
>> completing it sometime this year. Otherwise those parts are likely to be
>> lost or become unusable. Though I'm happy to go with the flow.
>>
>>     Clif
>>
>>
>> On 02/20/2014 04:11 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>
>> I'll be there at 1 to help do whatever.  Sounds like it's getting moved to
>> Veneta so let's plan on removing the bicycle trailers from the thing and
>> then loading it into the trailer.  Then you guys can take it wherever you
>> want.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ohhhhh you don't need a truck, sorry I didn't pick up on that. I'd be
>>> happy to go out there with you and help move it to it's resting place....
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>     Clif
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/20/2014 04:04 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Clif,
>>>
>>> I thought that was fairly clear in my mail, but perhaps I didn't phrase
>>> it properly; Yes, I have a trailer that can probably carry it and a car that
>>> can pull the trailer.
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> - Ben
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So here is my email from just two days ago:
>>>>
>>>> On 02/18/2014 10:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So my offer still stands to help transport the Gallery out to the
>>>> storage area in Veneta. We probably need a trailer unless it can be
>>>> partially disassembled enough to fit under my camper top. Otherwise I think
>>>> the tare down day is this Saturday.
>>>>
>>>>     Clif
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ben, are you offering your trailer?
>>>>
>>>>     Clif
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 02/20/2014 03:52 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That's good because the trailers would complicate my ability to haul it
>>>> to wherever.  The bed on the trailer is 6' long and we can have some
>>>> overhang, I think it should fit with a little swearing.  Is it going
>>>> somewhere to rot or some place good?  If it's going to rot in someone's barn
>>>> as a 'possible future project', we might want to do the tear down but that's
>>>> just my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> - Ben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm happy to help load it into a trailer on Saturday instead of tear it
>>>>> down if that's what you guys want to do.  I think Cord wants the bike
>>>>> trailers off of it regardless though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Ben Hallert <ben at hallert.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it gets torn down, I want to participate and claim some parts.  If
>>>>>> anyone is invested in transporting it to the mysterious Veneta deep freeze
>>>>>> storage compound, I have a trailer and can probably haul it with assistance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone planning to come on Saturday and help tear this thing down?
>>>>>>> I haven't even heard anyone say that they want any of the parts from it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's been a week and there has been no movement on this.  I'm
>>>>>>>> scheduling a tear down day for Saturday, February 22 at 1:00PM. If someone
>>>>>>>> wants to haul the thing away for off-site storage before then, that's fine.
>>>>>>>> I know Cord has mentioned that he wants the bike trailers before it gets
>>>>>>>> stored off site somewhere so just make sure you talk to him about that
>>>>>>>> first.  Also, if you take it, please announce it here so everyone knows who
>>>>>>>> did what, and why.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you have some parts on the target gallery that you need saved and
>>>>>>>> you can't make it to the tear down, please make it known publicly so they
>>>>>>>> can be set aside for you.  Maybe we can bring some beers and pizza and make
>>>>>>>> this fun?  We'll iron out the details as the day approaches.  I have it on
>>>>>>>> the EMS calendar.  If you like to break things apart, please show up and
>>>>>>>> help out.  The more people we have, ideally the more fun it will be and the
>>>>>>>> faster we will get this done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Benjamin Hallert <ben at vipmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If we need to transport it, I have a small truckbed trailer that
>>>>>>>>> might be able to handle it. I can bring the trailer by the shop and we can
>>>>>>>>> brainstorm to see if it could move it or not.
>>>>>>>>> - Ben
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Rick Osgood
>>>>>>>>> <rick at richardosgood.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do realize it's not going anywhere until the snow and ice is
>>>>>>>>>> melted.  We need an answer for who is doing what and when so it doesn't sit
>>>>>>>>>> around for another month or two while everyone waits for someone else to do
>>>>>>>>>> something.  I don't see why someone can't commit to taking it and just say
>>>>>>>>>> when they think they can do it.  If no one commits to taking it then we have
>>>>>>>>>> to break it down.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well why don't we talk about it next week when the roads are
>>>>>>>>>>> clear again. Though I was just out having fun in my truck.
>>>>>>>>>>> Also it won't fit in my truck because of the camper shell so
>>>>>>>>>>> we'll either need a trailer or another truck.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>>     Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 03:55 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK it sounds like maybe the plan is to move the target range
>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere else.  Clif was the only person who seemed to know an off site
>>>>>>>>>>> location suitable.  Who is going to bring the project there and when?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Weston Turner
>>>>>>>>>>> <wstnturner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your input Taper,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea of off-siting it too. That way the project can
>>>>>>>>>>>> at least be resumed at a later date, and it won't be taking up space at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Makerspace. It seems like a good compromise solution to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Weston
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Feb 7, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Taper Wickel <taper at waxwolf.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > I was the only other person besides Cord working on it -- and
>>>>>>>>>>>> > I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>> > have no time to work on it for quite a while, what with stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>> > I kind
>>>>>>>>>>>> > of like the idea of off-siting it for a while, but if no one
>>>>>>>>>>>> > else
>>>>>>>>>>>> > wants to work on it going forward it might be best to tear it
>>>>>>>>>>>> > down.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Taper.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Rick Osgood
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> <rick at richardosgood.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Just a reminder that it's been just about a week since this
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> was sent out.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Has the team decided what to do?  I only heard two people
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> chime in that
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> disassembling it was reasonable but that there was also
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> possible storage for
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> the project as-is in Veneta.  Any more thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Mr. Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I can offer some offsite storage for the shooting gallery in
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Veneta.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>    Clif
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 01/31/2014 08:18 AM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> During the space improvement night we got to discussing the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> target
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> shooting range project again.  This can be a touchy subject
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> because some
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members put a lot of time and money into this project
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> already.  Some other
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members feel that it takes up too much space for the value
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> it brings to EMS,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> and some also question the value it would bring even if it
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> was finished and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> functional (in comparison to the space it takes up)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> We've had several email threads about this subject in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> past and they
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> generally end with people saying they don't want to scrap
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> the project and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> they will help out on the project, but only a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> people ever seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> actually follow through.  And unfortunately those people
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> don't have the time
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> or funding to finish it right now.  At this point something
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> has to be done.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> We believe there are a few options for this project:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 1. We can disassemble the project.  People can take
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> their stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> back and useful unclaimed parts can go into bins for public
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> use.  Maybe we
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> can save some pieces for display?  Like Bob the robot or the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> awesome ammo
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> case with guns inside.  Anything that can be displayed
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> without taking up too
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> much space.  The rest gets recycled or thrown away.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 2. The team needs to start paying for project storage
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> as per the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> EMS storage policy.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 3. If the team doesn't want to pay, the team needs to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> get 51% of
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> the membership to approve the project as a sponsored project
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> as per the EMS
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> storage policy.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 4. The team can take the project off site to store
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> it/work on it
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> until they can find the time to put more work into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I think it would be fair to take a week to discuss this and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> let the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members who are involved make a decision.  Then we can move
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> forward as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> community from there.  Let's have the discussion in this
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> thread and figure
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> it out.  I'll send out an update on 2/7/2014 so this isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> forgotten.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Rick
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
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