[EMS Discuss] Target range - Elephant in the room?

Cord Slatton cord42 at gmail.com
Thu Feb 20 20:58:27 PST 2014


I plan on coming to the teardown to extract my trailers, hopefully as a
unit, and regain a flat bed super trailer out of the project :D


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Taper Wickel <taper at waxwolf.com> wrote:

> I'd like to continue working on the thing once my private dramas are
> resolved (we do have an apartment lined up, woo) but I'm not sure when that
> will be and can't promise time. I plan on being there to help
> move/disassemble Saturday.
>
> --
> Taper Wickel <taper at waxwolf.com>
> On Feb 20, 2014 4:45 PM, "Bob Miller" <kbob at jogger-egg.com> wrote:
>
>> I also volunteer to be there at 1:00 to help implement whatever plan
>> we decide upon by that time (including the default plan that involves
>> jackhammers, wrecking balls, and napalm (-: ).
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Ben Hallert <ben at hallert.net> wrote:
>> >> My recommendation is to only move it if there is *Really* interest in
>> >> completing it sometime this year.
>> >> Otherwise those parts are likely to be lost or become unusable. Though
>> I'm
>> >> happy to go with the flow.
>> >
>> > My thought as well.  Cord/Taper, thoughts?  I'm game (I did a little
>> work a
>> > couple weeks ago but am not willing to be lone cheerleader here).
>> >
>> > Ben
>> >
>> > - Ben
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My recommendation is to only move it if there is *Really* interest in
>> >> completing it sometime this year. Otherwise those parts are likely to
>> be
>> >> lost or become unusable. Though I'm happy to go with the flow.
>> >>
>> >>     Clif
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 02/20/2014 04:11 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'll be there at 1 to help do whatever.  Sounds like it's getting
>> moved to
>> >> Veneta so let's plan on removing the bicycle trailers from the thing
>> and
>> >> then loading it into the trailer.  Then you guys can take it wherever
>> you
>> >> want.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Ohhhhh you don't need a truck, sorry I didn't pick up on that. I'd be
>> >>> happy to go out there with you and help move it to it's resting
>> place....
>> >>> ;-)
>> >>>
>> >>>     Clif
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 02/20/2014 04:04 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Clif,
>> >>>
>> >>> I thought that was fairly clear in my mail, but perhaps I didn't
>> phrase
>> >>> it properly; Yes, I have a trailer that can probably carry it and a
>> car that
>> >>> can pull the trailer.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ben
>> >>>
>> >>> - Ben
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So here is my email from just two days ago:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 02/18/2014 10:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So my offer still stands to help transport the Gallery out to the
>> >>>> storage area in Veneta. We probably need a trailer unless it can be
>> >>>> partially disassembled enough to fit under my camper top. Otherwise
>> I think
>> >>>> the tare down day is this Saturday.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>     Clif
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ben, are you offering your trailer?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>     Clif
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 02/20/2014 03:52 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That's good because the trailers would complicate my ability to haul
>> it
>> >>>> to wherever.  The bed on the trailer is 6' long and we can have some
>> >>>> overhang, I think it should fit with a little swearing.  Is it going
>> >>>> somewhere to rot or some place good?  If it's going to rot in
>> someone's barn
>> >>>> as a 'possible future project', we might want to do the tear down
>> but that's
>> >>>> just my opinion.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - Ben
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com
>> >
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'm happy to help load it into a trailer on Saturday instead of
>> tear it
>> >>>>> down if that's what you guys want to do.  I think Cord wants the
>> bike
>> >>>>> trailers off of it regardless though.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Ben Hallert <ben at hallert.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> If it gets torn down, I want to participate and claim some parts.
>>  If
>> >>>>>> anyone is invested in transporting it to the mysterious Veneta
>> deep freeze
>> >>>>>> storage compound, I have a trailer and can probably haul it with
>> assistance.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Ben
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> - Ben
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Rick Osgood <
>> rick at richardosgood.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Is anyone planning to come on Saturday and help tear this thing
>> down?
>> >>>>>>> I haven't even heard anyone say that they want any of the parts
>> from it.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Rick Osgood <
>> rick at richardosgood.com>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> It's been a week and there has been no movement on this.  I'm
>> >>>>>>>> scheduling a tear down day for Saturday, February 22 at 1:00PM.
>> If someone
>> >>>>>>>> wants to haul the thing away for off-site storage before then,
>> that's fine.
>> >>>>>>>> I know Cord has mentioned that he wants the bike trailers before
>> it gets
>> >>>>>>>> stored off site somewhere so just make sure you talk to him
>> about that
>> >>>>>>>> first.  Also, if you take it, please announce it here so
>> everyone knows who
>> >>>>>>>> did what, and why.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> If you have some parts on the target gallery that you need saved
>> and
>> >>>>>>>> you can't make it to the tear down, please make it known
>> publicly so they
>> >>>>>>>> can be set aside for you.  Maybe we can bring some beers and
>> pizza and make
>> >>>>>>>> this fun?  We'll iron out the details as the day approaches.  I
>> have it on
>> >>>>>>>> the EMS calendar.  If you like to break things apart, please
>> show up and
>> >>>>>>>> help out.  The more people we have, ideally the more fun it will
>> be and the
>> >>>>>>>> faster we will get this done.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Rick
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Benjamin Hallert <
>> ben at vipmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> If we need to transport it, I have a small truckbed trailer that
>> >>>>>>>>> might be able to handle it. I can bring the trailer by the shop
>> and we can
>> >>>>>>>>> brainstorm to see if it could move it or not.
>> >>>>>>>>> - Ben
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Rick Osgood
>> >>>>>>>>> <rick at richardosgood.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I do realize it's not going anywhere until the snow and ice is
>> >>>>>>>>>> melted.  We need an answer for who is doing what and when so
>> it doesn't sit
>> >>>>>>>>>> around for another month or two while everyone waits for
>> someone else to do
>> >>>>>>>>>> something.  I don't see why someone can't commit to taking it
>> and just say
>> >>>>>>>>>> when they think they can do it.  If no one commits to taking
>> it then we have
>> >>>>>>>>>> to break it down.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well why don't we talk about it next week when the roads are
>> >>>>>>>>>>> clear again. Though I was just out having fun in my truck.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also it won't fit in my truck because of the camper shell so
>> >>>>>>>>>>> we'll either need a trailer or another truck.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>     Ciao!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>     Clif
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 03:55 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK it sounds like maybe the plan is to move the target range
>> >>>>>>>>>>> somewhere else.  Clif was the only person who seemed to know
>> an off site
>> >>>>>>>>>>> location suitable.  Who is going to bring the project there
>> and when?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Weston Turner
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <wstnturner at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your input Taper,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea of off-siting it too. That way the project
>> can
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> at least be resumed at a later date, and it won't be taking
>> up space at the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Makerspace. It seems like a good compromise solution to me.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Weston
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Feb 7, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Taper Wickel <
>> taper at waxwolf.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I was the only other person besides Cord working on it --
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I'll
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > have no time to work on it for quite a while, what with
>> stuff.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I kind
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > of like the idea of off-siting it for a while, but if no
>> one
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > else
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > wants to work on it going forward it might be best to tear
>> it
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > down.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Taper.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Rick Osgood
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> <rick at richardosgood.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> Just a reminder that it's been just about a week since
>> this
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> was sent out.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> Has the team decided what to do?  I only heard two people
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> chime in that
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> disassembling it was reasonable but that there was also
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> possible storage for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> the project as-is in Veneta.  Any more thoughts?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Mr. Clif
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I can offer some offsite storage for the shooting
>> gallery in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Veneta.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>    Clif
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 01/31/2014 08:18 AM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> During the space improvement night we got to discussing
>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> target
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> shooting range project again.  This can be a touchy
>> subject
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> because some
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members put a lot of time and money into this project
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> already.  Some other
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members feel that it takes up too much space for the
>> value
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> it brings to EMS,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> and some also question the value it would bring even if
>> it
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> was finished and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> functional (in comparison to the space it takes up)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> We've had several email threads about this subject in the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> past and they
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> generally end with people saying they don't want to scrap
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> the project and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> they will help out on the project, but only a couple of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> people ever seem to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> actually follow through.  And unfortunately those people
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> don't have the time
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> or funding to finish it right now.  At this point
>> something
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> has to be done.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> We believe there are a few options for this project:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 1. We can disassemble the project.  People can
>> take
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> their stuff
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> back and useful unclaimed parts can go into bins for
>> public
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> use.  Maybe we
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> can save some pieces for display?  Like Bob the robot or
>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> awesome ammo
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> case with guns inside.  Anything that can be displayed
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> without taking up too
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> much space.  The rest gets recycled or thrown away.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 2. The team needs to start paying for project
>> storage
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> as per the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> EMS storage policy.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 3. If the team doesn't want to pay, the team
>> needs to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> get 51% of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> the membership to approve the project as a sponsored
>> project
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> as per the EMS
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> storage policy.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 4. The team can take the project off site to store
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> it/work on it
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> until they can find the time to put more work into it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I think it would be fair to take a week to discuss this
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> let the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members who are involved make a decision.  Then we can
>> move
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> forward as a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> community from there.  Let's have the discussion in this
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> thread and figure
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> it out.  I'll send out an update on 2/7/2014 so this
>> isn't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> forgotten.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Rick
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
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