[EMS Discuss] Target range - Elephant in the room?

Benjamin Hallert ben at vipmail.com
Fri Feb 21 21:12:21 PST 2014


So do I need to bring my trailer for carrying the range to Veneta or are we doing the full tear down?


Ben
- Ben

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Cord Slatton <cord42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I plan on coming to the teardown to extract my trailers, hopefully as a
> unit, and regain a flat bed super trailer out of the project :D
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Taper Wickel <taper at waxwolf.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to continue working on the thing once my private dramas are
>> resolved (we do have an apartment lined up, woo) but I'm not sure when that
>> will be and can't promise time. I plan on being there to help
>> move/disassemble Saturday.
>>
>> --
>> Taper Wickel <taper at waxwolf.com>
>> On Feb 20, 2014 4:45 PM, "Bob Miller" <kbob at jogger-egg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I also volunteer to be there at 1:00 to help implement whatever plan
>>> we decide upon by that time (including the default plan that involves
>>> jackhammers, wrecking balls, and napalm (-: ).
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Ben Hallert <ben at hallert.net> wrote:
>>> >> My recommendation is to only move it if there is *Really* interest in
>>> >> completing it sometime this year.
>>> >> Otherwise those parts are likely to be lost or become unusable. Though
>>> I'm
>>> >> happy to go with the flow.
>>> >
>>> > My thought as well.  Cord/Taper, thoughts?  I'm game (I did a little
>>> work a
>>> > couple weeks ago but am not willing to be lone cheerleader here).
>>> >
>>> > Ben
>>> >
>>> > - Ben
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> My recommendation is to only move it if there is *Really* interest in
>>> >> completing it sometime this year. Otherwise those parts are likely to
>>> be
>>> >> lost or become unusable. Though I'm happy to go with the flow.
>>> >>
>>> >>     Clif
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 02/20/2014 04:11 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I'll be there at 1 to help do whatever.  Sounds like it's getting
>>> moved to
>>> >> Veneta so let's plan on removing the bicycle trailers from the thing
>>> and
>>> >> then loading it into the trailer.  Then you guys can take it wherever
>>> you
>>> >> want.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ohhhhh you don't need a truck, sorry I didn't pick up on that. I'd be
>>> >>> happy to go out there with you and help move it to it's resting
>>> place....
>>> >>> ;-)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>     Clif
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 02/20/2014 04:04 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi Clif,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I thought that was fairly clear in my mail, but perhaps I didn't
>>> phrase
>>> >>> it properly; Yes, I have a trailer that can probably carry it and a
>>> car that
>>> >>> can pull the trailer.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ben
>>> >>>
>>> >>> - Ben
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> So here is my email from just two days ago:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 02/18/2014 10:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> So my offer still stands to help transport the Gallery out to the
>>> >>>> storage area in Veneta. We probably need a trailer unless it can be
>>> >>>> partially disassembled enough to fit under my camper top. Otherwise
>>> I think
>>> >>>> the tare down day is this Saturday.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>     Clif
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Ben, are you offering your trailer?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>     Clif
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 02/20/2014 03:52 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> That's good because the trailers would complicate my ability to haul
>>> it
>>> >>>> to wherever.  The bed on the trailer is 6' long and we can have some
>>> >>>> overhang, I think it should fit with a little swearing.  Is it going
>>> >>>> somewhere to rot or some place good?  If it's going to rot in
>>> someone's barn
>>> >>>> as a 'possible future project', we might want to do the tear down
>>> but that's
>>> >>>> just my opinion.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> - Ben
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Rick Osgood <rick at richardosgood.com
>>> >
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I'm happy to help load it into a trailer on Saturday instead of
>>> tear it
>>> >>>>> down if that's what you guys want to do.  I think Cord wants the
>>> bike
>>> >>>>> trailers off of it regardless though.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Ben Hallert <ben at hallert.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> If it gets torn down, I want to participate and claim some parts.
>>>  If
>>> >>>>>> anyone is invested in transporting it to the mysterious Veneta
>>> deep freeze
>>> >>>>>> storage compound, I have a trailer and can probably haul it with
>>> assistance.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Ben
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> - Ben
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Rick Osgood <
>>> rick at richardosgood.com>
>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Is anyone planning to come on Saturday and help tear this thing
>>> down?
>>> >>>>>>> I haven't even heard anyone say that they want any of the parts
>>> from it.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Rick Osgood <
>>> rick at richardosgood.com>
>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> It's been a week and there has been no movement on this.  I'm
>>> >>>>>>>> scheduling a tear down day for Saturday, February 22 at 1:00PM.
>>> If someone
>>> >>>>>>>> wants to haul the thing away for off-site storage before then,
>>> that's fine.
>>> >>>>>>>> I know Cord has mentioned that he wants the bike trailers before
>>> it gets
>>> >>>>>>>> stored off site somewhere so just make sure you talk to him
>>> about that
>>> >>>>>>>> first.  Also, if you take it, please announce it here so
>>> everyone knows who
>>> >>>>>>>> did what, and why.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> If you have some parts on the target gallery that you need saved
>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>> you can't make it to the tear down, please make it known
>>> publicly so they
>>> >>>>>>>> can be set aside for you.  Maybe we can bring some beers and
>>> pizza and make
>>> >>>>>>>> this fun?  We'll iron out the details as the day approaches.  I
>>> have it on
>>> >>>>>>>> the EMS calendar.  If you like to break things apart, please
>>> show up and
>>> >>>>>>>> help out.  The more people we have, ideally the more fun it will
>>> be and the
>>> >>>>>>>> faster we will get this done.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Rick
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Benjamin Hallert <
>>> ben at vipmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> If we need to transport it, I have a small truckbed trailer that
>>> >>>>>>>>> might be able to handle it. I can bring the trailer by the shop
>>> and we can
>>> >>>>>>>>> brainstorm to see if it could move it or not.
>>> >>>>>>>>> - Ben
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Rick Osgood
>>> >>>>>>>>> <rick at richardosgood.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> I do realize it's not going anywhere until the snow and ice is
>>> >>>>>>>>>> melted.  We need an answer for who is doing what and when so
>>> it doesn't sit
>>> >>>>>>>>>> around for another month or two while everyone waits for
>>> someone else to do
>>> >>>>>>>>>> something.  I don't see why someone can't commit to taking it
>>> and just say
>>> >>>>>>>>>> when they think they can do it.  If no one commits to taking
>>> it then we have
>>> >>>>>>>>>> to break it down.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well why don't we talk about it next week when the roads are
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> clear again. Though I was just out having fun in my truck.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also it won't fit in my truck because of the camper shell so
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> we'll either need a trailer or another truck.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>     Ciao!
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>     Clif
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 03:55 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK it sounds like maybe the plan is to move the target range
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> somewhere else.  Clif was the only person who seemed to know
>>> an off site
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> location suitable.  Who is going to bring the project there
>>> and when?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Weston Turner
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <wstnturner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your input Taper,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea of off-siting it too. That way the project
>>> can
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> at least be resumed at a later date, and it won't be taking
>>> up space at the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Makerspace. It seems like a good compromise solution to me.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Weston
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Feb 7, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Taper Wickel <
>>> taper at waxwolf.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I was the only other person besides Cord working on it --
>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I'll
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > have no time to work on it for quite a while, what with
>>> stuff.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I kind
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > of like the idea of off-siting it for a while, but if no
>>> one
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > else
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > wants to work on it going forward it might be best to tear
>>> it
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > down.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Taper.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Rick Osgood
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> <rick at richardosgood.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> Just a reminder that it's been just about a week since
>>> this
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> was sent out.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> Has the team decided what to do?  I only heard two people
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> chime in that
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> disassembling it was reasonable but that there was also
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> possible storage for
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> the project as-is in Veneta.  Any more thoughts?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Mr. Clif
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I can offer some offsite storage for the shooting
>>> gallery in
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Veneta.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>    Clif
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 01/31/2014 08:18 AM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> During the space improvement night we got to discussing
>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> target
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> shooting range project again.  This can be a touchy
>>> subject
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> because some
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members put a lot of time and money into this project
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> already.  Some other
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members feel that it takes up too much space for the
>>> value
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> it brings to EMS,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> and some also question the value it would bring even if
>>> it
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> was finished and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> functional (in comparison to the space it takes up)
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> We've had several email threads about this subject in the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> past and they
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> generally end with people saying they don't want to scrap
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> the project and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> they will help out on the project, but only a couple of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> people ever seem to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> actually follow through.  And unfortunately those people
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> don't have the time
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> or funding to finish it right now.  At this point
>>> something
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> has to be done.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> We believe there are a few options for this project:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 1. We can disassemble the project.  People can
>>> take
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> their stuff
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> back and useful unclaimed parts can go into bins for
>>> public
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> use.  Maybe we
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> can save some pieces for display?  Like Bob the robot or
>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> awesome ammo
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> case with guns inside.  Anything that can be displayed
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> without taking up too
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> much space.  The rest gets recycled or thrown away.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 2. The team needs to start paying for project
>>> storage
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> as per the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> EMS storage policy.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 3. If the team doesn't want to pay, the team
>>> needs to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> get 51% of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> the membership to approve the project as a sponsored
>>> project
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> as per the EMS
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> storage policy.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 4. The team can take the project off site to store
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> it/work on it
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> until they can find the time to put more work into it.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I think it would be fair to take a week to discuss this
>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> let the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members who are involved make a decision.  Then we can
>>> move
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> forward as a
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> community from there.  Let's have the discussion in this
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> thread and figure
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> it out.  I'll send out an update on 2/7/2014 so this
>>> isn't
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> forgotten.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Rick
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
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