[EMS Discuss] Target range - Elephant in the room?

Rick Osgood rick at richardosgood.com
Fri Feb 21 21:13:15 PST 2014


Sounded to me like it was getting moved to veneta.
On Feb 21, 2014 9:12 PM, "Benjamin Hallert" <ben at vipmail.com> wrote:

> So do I need to bring my trailer for carrying the range to Veneta or are
> we doing the full tear down?
>
> Ben
> - Ben
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Cord Slatton <cord42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I plan on coming to the teardown to extract my trailers, hopefully as a
>> unit, and regain a flat bed super trailer out of the project :D
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Taper Wickel <taper at waxwolf.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to continue working on the thing once my private dramas are
>>> resolved (we do have an apartment lined up, woo) but I'm not sure when that
>>> will be and can't promise time. I plan on being there to help
>>> move/disassemble Saturday.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Taper Wickel <taper at waxwolf.com>
>>>  On Feb 20, 2014 4:45 PM, "Bob Miller" <kbob at jogger-egg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also volunteer to be there at 1:00 to help implement whatever plan
>>>> we decide upon by that time (including the default plan that involves
>>>> jackhammers, wrecking balls, and napalm (-: ).
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Ben Hallert <ben at hallert.net> wrote:
>>>> >> My recommendation is to only move it if there is *Really* interest in
>>>> >> completing it sometime this year.
>>>> >> Otherwise those parts are likely to be lost or become unusable.
>>>> Though I'm
>>>> >> happy to go with the flow.
>>>> >
>>>> > My thought as well.  Cord/Taper, thoughts?  I'm game (I did a little
>>>> work a
>>>> > couple weeks ago but am not willing to be lone cheerleader here).
>>>> >
>>>> > Ben
>>>> >
>>>> > - Ben
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> My recommendation is to only move it if there is *Really* interest in
>>>> >> completing it sometime this year. Otherwise those parts are likely
>>>> to be
>>>> >> lost or become unusable. Though I'm happy to go with the flow.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>     Clif
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 02/20/2014 04:11 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'll be there at 1 to help do whatever.  Sounds like it's getting
>>>> moved to
>>>> >> Veneta so let's plan on removing the bicycle trailers from the thing
>>>> and
>>>> >> then loading it into the trailer.  Then you guys can take it
>>>> wherever you
>>>> >> want.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Ohhhhh you don't need a truck, sorry I didn't pick up on that. I'd
>>>> be
>>>> >>> happy to go out there with you and help move it to it's resting
>>>> place....
>>>> >>> ;-)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>     Clif
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 02/20/2014 04:04 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hi Clif,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I thought that was fairly clear in my mail, but perhaps I didn't
>>>> phrase
>>>> >>> it properly; Yes, I have a trailer that can probably carry it and a
>>>> car that
>>>> >>> can pull the trailer.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Ben
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> - Ben
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> So here is my email from just two days ago:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 02/18/2014 10:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> So my offer still stands to help transport the Gallery out to the
>>>> >>>> storage area in Veneta. We probably need a trailer unless it can be
>>>> >>>> partially disassembled enough to fit under my camper top.
>>>> Otherwise I think
>>>> >>>> the tare down day is this Saturday.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>     Clif
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Ben, are you offering your trailer?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>     Clif
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 02/20/2014 03:52 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> That's good because the trailers would complicate my ability to
>>>> haul it
>>>> >>>> to wherever.  The bed on the trailer is 6' long and we can have
>>>> some
>>>> >>>> overhang, I think it should fit with a little swearing.  Is it
>>>> going
>>>> >>>> somewhere to rot or some place good?  If it's going to rot in
>>>> someone's barn
>>>> >>>> as a 'possible future project', we might want to do the tear down
>>>> but that's
>>>> >>>> just my opinion.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> - Ben
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Rick Osgood <
>>>> rick at richardosgood.com>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I'm happy to help load it into a trailer on Saturday instead of
>>>> tear it
>>>> >>>>> down if that's what you guys want to do.  I think Cord wants the
>>>> bike
>>>> >>>>> trailers off of it regardless though.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Ben Hallert <ben at hallert.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> If it gets torn down, I want to participate and claim some
>>>> parts.  If
>>>> >>>>>> anyone is invested in transporting it to the mysterious Veneta
>>>> deep freeze
>>>> >>>>>> storage compound, I have a trailer and can probably haul it with
>>>> assistance.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Ben
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> - Ben
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Rick Osgood <
>>>> rick at richardosgood.com>
>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Is anyone planning to come on Saturday and help tear this thing
>>>> down?
>>>> >>>>>>> I haven't even heard anyone say that they want any of the parts
>>>> from it.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Rick Osgood <
>>>> rick at richardosgood.com>
>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> It's been a week and there has been no movement on this.  I'm
>>>> >>>>>>>> scheduling a tear down day for Saturday, February 22 at
>>>> 1:00PM. If someone
>>>> >>>>>>>> wants to haul the thing away for off-site storage before then,
>>>> that's fine.
>>>> >>>>>>>> I know Cord has mentioned that he wants the bike trailers
>>>> before it gets
>>>> >>>>>>>> stored off site somewhere so just make sure you talk to him
>>>> about that
>>>> >>>>>>>> first.  Also, if you take it, please announce it here so
>>>> everyone knows who
>>>> >>>>>>>> did what, and why.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have some parts on the target gallery that you need
>>>> saved and
>>>> >>>>>>>> you can't make it to the tear down, please make it known
>>>> publicly so they
>>>> >>>>>>>> can be set aside for you.  Maybe we can bring some beers and
>>>> pizza and make
>>>> >>>>>>>> this fun?  We'll iron out the details as the day approaches.
>>>>  I have it on
>>>> >>>>>>>> the EMS calendar.  If you like to break things apart, please
>>>> show up and
>>>> >>>>>>>> help out.  The more people we have, ideally the more fun it
>>>> will be and the
>>>> >>>>>>>> faster we will get this done.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Rick
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Benjamin Hallert <
>>>> ben at vipmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> If we need to transport it, I have a small truckbed trailer
>>>> that
>>>> >>>>>>>>> might be able to handle it. I can bring the trailer by the
>>>> shop and we can
>>>> >>>>>>>>> brainstorm to see if it could move it or not.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Ben
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Rick Osgood
>>>> >>>>>>>>> <rick at richardosgood.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I do realize it's not going anywhere until the snow and ice
>>>> is
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> melted.  We need an answer for who is doing what and when so
>>>> it doesn't sit
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> around for another month or two while everyone waits for
>>>> someone else to do
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> something.  I don't see why someone can't commit to taking
>>>> it and just say
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> when they think they can do it.  If no one commits to taking
>>>> it then we have
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> to break it down.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Mr. Clif <clif at eugeneweb.com
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well why don't we talk about it next week when the roads are
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> clear again. Though I was just out having fun in my truck.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also it won't fit in my truck because of the camper shell so
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> we'll either need a trailer or another truck.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>     Ciao!
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>     Clif
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 03:55 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK it sounds like maybe the plan is to move the target range
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> somewhere else.  Clif was the only person who seemed to
>>>> know an off site
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> location suitable.  Who is going to bring the project there
>>>> and when?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Weston Turner
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <wstnturner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your input Taper,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea of off-siting it too. That way the project
>>>> can
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> at least be resumed at a later date, and it won't be
>>>> taking up space at the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Makerspace. It seems like a good compromise solution to me.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Weston
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Feb 7, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Taper Wickel <
>>>> taper at waxwolf.com>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I was the only other person besides Cord working on it
>>>> -- and
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I'll
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > have no time to work on it for quite a while, what with
>>>> stuff.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I kind
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > of like the idea of off-siting it for a while, but if no
>>>> one
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > else
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > wants to work on it going forward it might be best to
>>>> tear it
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > down.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Taper.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Rick Osgood
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> <rick at richardosgood.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> Just a reminder that it's been just about a week since
>>>> this
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> was sent out.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> Has the team decided what to do?  I only heard two
>>>> people
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> chime in that
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> disassembling it was reasonable but that there was also
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> possible storage for
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> the project as-is in Veneta.  Any more thoughts?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Mr. Clif
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> <clif at eugeneweb.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I can offer some offsite storage for the shooting
>>>> gallery in
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Veneta.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>    Clif
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 01/31/2014 08:18 AM, Rick Osgood wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> During the space improvement night we got to
>>>> discussing the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> target
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> shooting range project again.  This can be a touchy
>>>> subject
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> because some
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members put a lot of time and money into this project
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> already.  Some other
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members feel that it takes up too much space for the
>>>> value
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> it brings to EMS,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> and some also question the value it would bring even
>>>> if it
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> was finished and
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> functional (in comparison to the space it takes up)
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> We've had several email threads about this subject in
>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> past and they
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> generally end with people saying they don't want to
>>>> scrap
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> the project and
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> they will help out on the project, but only a couple of
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> people ever seem to
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> actually follow through.  And unfortunately those
>>>> people
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> don't have the time
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> or funding to finish it right now.  At this point
>>>> something
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> has to be done.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> We believe there are a few options for this project:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 1. We can disassemble the project.  People can
>>>> take
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> their stuff
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> back and useful unclaimed parts can go into bins for
>>>> public
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> use.  Maybe we
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> can save some pieces for display?  Like Bob the robot
>>>> or the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> awesome ammo
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> case with guns inside.  Anything that can be displayed
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> without taking up too
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> much space.  The rest gets recycled or thrown away.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 2. The team needs to start paying for project
>>>> storage
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> as per the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> EMS storage policy.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 3. If the team doesn't want to pay, the team
>>>> needs to
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> get 51% of
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> the membership to approve the project as a sponsored
>>>> project
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> as per the EMS
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> storage policy.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Option 4. The team can take the project off site to
>>>> store
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> it/work on it
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> until they can find the time to put more work into it.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I think it would be fair to take a week to discuss
>>>> this and
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> let the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> members who are involved make a decision.  Then we can
>>>> move
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> forward as a
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> community from there.  Let's have the discussion in
>>>> this
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> thread and figure
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> it out.  I'll send out an update on 2/7/2014 so this
>>>> isn't
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> forgotten.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Rick
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
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