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    Hi Guys,<br>
    <br>
    The nice Realtor for the Franklin space sent me some other
    possibilities. There were some that were around $2000 / mo which I
    ignored. I'll ask her if the owners of any of those might come down
    in price for a cool non-profit. Here is the short list for the new
    ones:<br>
    <br>
    <li> $1000 / 2325ft² 43c / sqft - 710 Commercial st. St # 103
      <ul>
        <li> Flier: <a
href="https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/710_Commercial.pdf"
            target="_top">710_Commercial.pdf</a>
        </li>
        <li> Almost as far as the Danebo space.
        </li>
      </ul>
    </li>
    <li> $1125 / 2500ft² 45c / sqft - 870 W. 2nd (in the Whitaker X
      Adams.)
      <ul>
        <li> Flier: <a
href="https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/870_W_2nd.pdf"
            target="_top">870_W_2nd.pdf</a>
        </li>
        <li> </li>
      </ul>
    </li>
    <li> $1200 / 4400ft² 27c / sqft - 4068 Stewart Rd.
      <ul>
        <li> Flier: <a
href="https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/4068_Stewart_Rd.jpeg"
            target="_top">4068_Stewart_Rd.jpeg</a>
        </li>
        <li> A bit farther than Obie.
        </li>
      </ul>
    </li>
    <li> $1250 / 3000ft² 42c / sqft - 645 Powers Street, Suite J
      <ul>
        <li> Flier: <a
href="https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/645_Powers.pdf"
            target="_top">645_Powers.pdf</a>
        </li>
        <li> </li>
      </ul>
    </li>
    <li> $2017 / 4203ft² 48c / sqft - 2101 W 10th ave. (Next to the old
      Next Step store)
      <ul>
        <li> Flier: <a
href="https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/pub/Sites/NewSpaceSearch/2101_W_10th.pdf"
            target="_top">2101_W_10th.pdf</a>
        </li>
        <li> They would have to come down in price substantially
        </li>
      </ul>
    </li>
    <br>
    As always you can see them on our New Space page here:<br>
    <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch">https://www.eugenemakerspace.com/wiki/Sites/NewSpaceSearch</a><br>
    <br>
    I'm going to drive by them now and tomorrow we could have her show
    us the interesting ones. Anyone want to join me then?<br>
    <br>
        Ciao,<br>
        Clif<br>
    <br>
    Mr. Clif wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:5238ED7C.2040909@eugeneweb.com" type="cite">Hi
      gang,
      <br>
      <br>
      The nice lady at the city planning office called me this morning
      with some more info:
      <br>
      <br>
      The City planing office would like to put us in the Specialized
      education category. That would allow us to chose from many zones
      such as C2, C3, I1, I2, or I3. As you might imagine these are
      essentially all the non-residential zones in Eugene.
      <br>
      <br>
      if we need to change anything in the building that requires a
      building permit then that might trigger a change of use permit or
      the resulting review process. This would probably result in a
      change to the number of vehicle or bicycle parking spots we need.
      <br>
      <br>
      Though as a Specialized education org we need to have one parking
      space for every 3.5 "students", and one bicycle spot for every 5
      "students" who are there on average during a open hack night. Now
      25% of these bicycle parking spots must be for full time
      "students" or "faculty" a full time parking slot is dry and
      lockable.
      <br>
      <br>
      If we grow over the first break point which I think is 50 members,
      then we might also need to talk with public works. based on our
      use and number of students. One bathroom would probably not be
      enough. Same goes for building exits etc...
      <br>
      <br>
      So far this all sounds fairly reasonable and it sounds like they
      want to be helpful. I'm not as sure about the category they put us
      in but I guess it works for now, and dovetails nicely with what
      Kiki is doing.
      <br>
      <br>
          Clif
      <br>
      <br>
      Greg Norman wrote:
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">I like this analysis.
        <br>
          Greg Norman
        <br>
        <br>
        From: Mr. Clif<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com"><clif@eugeneweb.com></a>
        <br>
        To: Rick Osgood<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rick@eugenemakerspace.com"><rick@eugenemakerspace.com></a>
        <br>
        Cc:
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:discuss@eugenemakerspace.com">"discuss@eugenemakerspace.com"</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:discuss@eugenemakerspace.com"><discuss@eugenemakerspace.com></a>
        <br>
        Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:28 PM
        <br>
        Subject: Re: [EMS Discuss] Help us find a new home!
        <br>
        <br>
        <br>
        Wow Rick thats quite an essay! :-) Thanks for taking the time to
        put all
        <br>
        that down on paper.
        <br>
        <br>
        I just was down at the city planner's office and the lady there
        gave me
        <br>
        lots of good info. Of course some of it was geared to get people
        like us
        <br>
        to file for permits so they can earn some more money, so with
        that in
        <br>
        mind here is what I learned...
        <br>
        <br>
        That nose ordinance applies pretty much everywhere, specifically
        at both
        <br>
        these places. After 10 PM anyone could call in a complaint, and
        I
        <br>
        believe that if it's the second one in a year that they can fine
        you.
        <br>
        The first time you can probably get away with saying that it was
        the
        <br>
        last renter before you that did it. The second time would be
        your first
        <br>
        time, and then the third time (within a year) you would get
        fined. They
        <br>
        start about $450 for the first one and $800 something for the
        second
        <br>
        according to the lady there. So you really don't want to be
        close to
        <br>
        someone who complains.
        <br>
        <br>
        Parking is another issue, they want to see so many parking
        spaces per
        <br>
        some amount of sqft of floor space (that could be occupied by a
        person)
        <br>
        so space that is used only for storage doesn't count. They are
        not sure
        <br>
        how they would label us but if we were artists then its about
        one
        <br>
        parking slot for about every $250 / sqft. If we are
        manufacturing then
        <br>
        its one for every 550 sqft. Bigger numbers are better because
        you need
        <br>
        fewer parking spaces, and if you have them then in the cities
        eyes we
        <br>
        arn't breaking any laws. Now the 1010 Grant space dosn't "Own"
        all the
        <br>
        slots in front of it. The city has some of those as part of the
        easement
        <br>
        so only three are actually ours. Though I don't really think
        anyone
        <br>
        would complain if we were just parking in that area in front. If
        there
        <br>
        were lots of cars in front of houses then yes it would be a
        problem. The
        <br>
        W 7th property does have lots of parking even in the cities
        eyes.
        <br>
        <br>
        I agree with Rick that we want to build our community, that's
        one reason
        <br>
        we're moving. If we are successful and continue growing, then
        eventually
        <br>
        we will have to move again. The question is will that time be
        forced on
        <br>
        us by the city or at our own choosing?
        <br>
        <br>
        PS: we can find out a lot of this info on
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://rlid.org/however">http://rlid.org/however</a> it
        <br>
        costs a lot darn! :-(
        <br>
        <br>
             Clif
        <br>
        <br>
        Rick Osgood wrote:
        <br>
        <blockquote type="cite">I'm not sure we should count the noise
          ordinance thing until after you hear
          <br>
          back and find out if it actually applies.  When considering
          locations, I
          <br>
          think it's important to consider the purpose of Eugene Maker
          Space.  Each
          <br>
          member may have a different opinion about what purpose(s) we
          have, and
          <br>
          which are more important.  But here is what I think EMS's
          goals should be,
          <br>
          in order of what I think is most important to least important
          (It's a close
          <br>
          tie between all three though).
          <br>
          <br>
          1) Strive to provide resources (space and tools) for people to
          build
          <br>
          anything they can imagine.
          <br>
          2) Build a fun and healthy community of makers/hackers who
          hang out, work
          <br>
          together, share knowledge.
          <br>
          3) Work within the local community (Eugene/Springfield) to
          help promote
          <br>
          making, engineering, etc.
          <br>
          <br>
          I really like both spaces but neither are perfect.  With those
          three
          <br>
          missions in mind, if I had to choose one space I think I would
          actually end
          <br>
          up choosing the 1010 grant space.  Here's why.  The W 7th
          space really
          <br>
          helps us with Mission #1.  But in terms of Mission #2, I don't
          think it
          <br>
          puts us in any better situation than we are now, and
          personally I think we
          <br>
          need to improve our community.  I think the Grant space will
          help us
          <br>
          improve both #1 and #2.  It may not help out #1 as much as the
          W 7th space,
          <br>
          but I think it has a better balance between the two and
          regardless we'll be
          <br>
          better off with than we are now on both fronts.  I think it is
          better
          <br>
          suited to build our community, and that's something we REALLY
          need if we
          <br>
          want EMS to grow into a bigger space.  I fear that the W 7th
          space will be
          <br>
          a great workshop but it won't promote the community hangout
          aspect we
          <br>
          really need to improve.  As for Mission #3, I think the Grant
          space in it's
          <br>
          current form is better suited for this too.  With separate
          quiet rooms we
          <br>
          will be better able to host events at EMS or even to allow
          other
          <br>
          organizations to hold events within our own space.  It also
          has a nice
          <br>
          kitchen area we can use when hosting events to keep food and
          drink separate
          <br>
          from the dirty shop.  These things can really help us make
          strong ties with
          <br>
          the rest of the Eugene community.
          <br>
          <br>
          That's the bottom line for me.  For more details about what
          things I like
          <br>
          and dislike about each space, keep reading.  But the important
          bit is above
          <br>
          so if you are already bored feel free to stop here ;)
          <br>
          <br>
          The W 7th space is a good option but we'd have to spend time
          and money (who
          <br>
          has either?) to fix the gate issues so our members can get in
          off-hours.
          <br>
             We also only have one small office which means if we want
          divided space we
          <br>
          need to build it ourselves (more time and money).  I fear that
          one reason
          <br>
          we don't retain new people is because they walk into our
          current space and
          <br>
          they are immediately placed into a dirty workshop
          environment.  There's no
          <br>
          clean or quiet area for them.  We can't ease them into the
          space.  The W
          <br>
          7th space is the exact same way.  Also, while I love the
          feeling of high
          <br>
          ceilings, the huge space will be very inefficient to heat.  If
          we had
          <br>
          smaller hang out rooms to compensate we might be OK, but it's
          tough to want
          <br>
          to go down to EMS on open hack night when I know I'm going to
          just sit
          <br>
          around and freeze.
          <br>
          <br>
          The 1010 Grant space is not in a very good location, in that
          there is an
          <br>
          apartment literally on top of it and a house 3 feet from the
          main wall.
          <br>
             Also the divisions are laid out strangely and some of the
          rooms are likely
          <br>
          too small to be useful to us.  While we do have permission to
          move walls,
          <br>
          it will take more time and money to fix.  Plus the electrical
          stuff we move
          <br>
          has to be up to code.  It has a good sized bay door, but it's
          not at street
          <br>
          level so we'll have to build a big ramp to get vehicles in. 
          More time and
          <br>
          money spent.
          <br>
          <br>
          With all the negative things out of the way, here's a simple
          list of all
          <br>
          the things I really like about each space.
          <br>
          <br>
          W 7th:
          <br>
          - Big ceilings and open space make me feel like I can build
          anything
          <br>
          - Pretty good parking
          <br>
          - Right next to Home Depot (for supplies and for advertising
          events)
          <br>
          - 16 foot roll up door to get big projects in and out
          <br>
          <br>
          1010 Grant:
          <br>
          - Space is already divided into offices and work space
          <br>
          - Has an entry area that may be more welcoming to new visitors
          rather than
          <br>
          dumping them right into a dirty shop
          <br>
          - Probably enough street parking
          <br>
          - Park right across the street
          <br>
          - Right off West 11th
          <br>
          - Kitchen area
          <br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <br>
          On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Mr.
          Clif<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com"><clif@eugeneweb.com></a>   wrote:
          <br>
          <br>
          <blockquote type="cite">I'm sorry, I don't really know which
            one I would like better, and yes I
            <br>
            might have subconsciously worded it that way. However those
            are the facts
            <br>
            as I know them. I do have a call into the planning
            department to double
            <br>
            check the noise ordnance.
            <br>
            <br>
            Anyway they have a lot of simularities I know you like 1010
            Grant, and
            <br>
            Darrel likes W 7th. I could be happy with either I think.
            <br>
            <br>
                   What about the rest of us?
            <br>
            <br>
                   Clif
            <br>
            <br>
            Cord Slatton wrote:
            <br>
            <br>
            <blockquote type="cite">Sounds like you are pushing hard for
              the w. 7th....? That email you just
              <br>
              sent is worded to push people towards it.
              <br>
              On Sep 16, 2013 1:13 PM, "Mr.
              Clif"<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com"><clif@eugeneweb.com></a>   wrote:
              <br>
              <br>
                 So I think we should take an informal poll on how we
              feel about our two
              <br>
              <blockquote type="cite">top spaces, which seem to be the W
                7th, and 1010 Grant spaces.
                <br>
                <br>
                They are the same square footage, and probably around
                the same price, but
                <br>
                the 1010 Grant space is carved up in to lots of office
                space, and may
                <br>
                have
                <br>
                a nose limit after ten. The insulation is probably good
                on both
                <br>
                buildings.
                <br>
                The W7th one has gas heat and high ceilings, and the
                1010 Grant space has
                <br>
                lower ceilings but electric? heat So would the heating
                bill be a wash? We
                <br>
                have some example amounts for the W 7th place at least.
                The 1010 grant
                <br>
                space may have more walk by traffic but not sure if it's
                the people you
                <br>
                want. The W 7th place is across the street from Home
                Depot.
                <br>
                <br>
                What do you guys think? Should we take a straw poll?
                <br>
                <br>
                       Clif
                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                Mr. Clif wrote:
                <br>
                <br>
                   Hi Gang,
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">I got the rest of the questions
                  answered. here they are:
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  1010 Grant Qs
                  <br>
                         Can we move walls? -- Yes.
                  <br>
                         Maximum repair costs we would be responsible
                  for? -- Yes we can cap
                  <br>
                  it, eg. Negotiable.
                  <br>
                             Modified Gross; Would consider triple net
                  as a way of reducing
                  <br>
                  costs to both parties.
                  <br>
                         Will it remain up for sale? -- Only until
                  someone rents it.
                  <br>
                         What are the options on the lease term? -- 1
                  year; would consider 6
                  <br>
                  mo.
                  <br>
                         How is it zoned? -- S-C/C-2 (From Rick)
                  <br>
                         Thoughts on late night noise limits? -- It has
                  filled Cinder block
                  <br>
                  construction.
                  <br>
                             If you strategically place the noisy tools
                  it might help.
                  <br>
                             The Realtor believes the 10 PM noise
                  ordinance does apply. We
                  <br>
                  need to double check on this.
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  Mr. Clif wrote:
                  <br>
                  <br>
                     Hi Gang,
                  <br>
                  <blockquote type="cite">Well I composed my list of
                    questions and called them today but the
                    <br>
                    Realtor in charge, is not around until next Monday.
                    I did get a couple
                    <br>
                    of answers though.
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    1010 Grant Qs
                    <br>
                           Can we move walls? -- Yes.
                    <br>
                           Maximum repair costs we would be responsible
                    for? -- NA
                    <br>
                           Will it remain up for sale? -- Until someone
                    rents it.
                    <br>
                           What are the options on the lease term? 6 Mo?
                    -- NA
                    <br>
                           How is it zoned? -- S-C/C-2 (From Rick)
                    <br>
                           Thoughts on late night noise limits? -- NA
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    On Monday we should get the rest of the NAs.
                    <br>
                    <br>
                           Ciao!
                    <br>
                           Clif
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Mr. Clif wrote:
                    <br>
                    <br>
                       I think you guys were going to send me the
                    questions so I didn't
                    <br>
                    <blockquote type="cite">forget any. :-)
                      <br>
                      <br>
                             Clif
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      Rick Osgood wrote:
                      <br>
                      <br>
                         Sam, most of the walls in the building can be
                      moved and the
                      <br>
                      <blockquote type="cite">management
                        <br>
                        company says that's ok for us to do.  So we do
                        have some good
                        <br>
                        options for
                        <br>
                        reconfiguring the space.
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        Clif, are you sending questions over to the
                        management company?  Did
                        <br>
                        you
                        <br>
                        want me or someone else to do that?  Do you
                        remember all of the
                        <br>
                        questions?
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        Rick
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Sam
                        Foster<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sam@sneetchworks.com"><sam@sneetchworks.com></a>
                        <br>
                        wrote:
                        <br>
                        <br>
                             I couldn't make the viewing as it turned
                        out, but from the location
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <blockquote type="cite">and
                          <br>
                          look of the place it might be a winner. I
                          think in any space we
                          <br>
                          balance
                          <br>
                          making arbitrary amounts of noise at any time
                          of day with the
                          <br>
                          location. The
                          <br>
                          floor plan does look a bit funky, but maybe
                          some of those walls are
                          <br>
                          simple
                          <br>
                          enough to (re)move? Either way, it checks my
                          "need options for
                          <br>
                          clean and
                          <br>
                          quiet work" box.
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          Do I understand the whole building is up for
                          sale though? What's the
                          <br>
                          length of the lease and is that a concern? It
                          would suck to spend
                          <br>
                          time and
                          <br>
                          money refurbing and getting moved in only to
                          have to move again
                          <br>
                          when the
                          <br>
                          new owner makes new plans. Or perhaps the
                          owner just needs to get
                          <br>
                          money
                          <br>
                          flowing again and would take it off the market
                          if we sign a lease.
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          /Sam
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          On 9/12/2013 11:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:
                          <br>
                          <br>
                               Here are my pictures of the 1010 Grant
                          space, they are unsorted
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <blockquote type="cite">right now
                            <br>
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                            :-)
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                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Rick Osgood wrote:
                            <br>
                            <br>
                                 When we looked at this space yesterday
                            I got the feeling that we
                            <br>
                            all
                            <br>
                            <br>
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                              <br>
                              liked this space.  I just got a general
                              good feeling from
                              <br>
                              everyone like
                              <br>
                              we
                              <br>
                              all thought it could work really well for
                              EMS.
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              Does anyone have anything negative to say
                              about this space?
                              <br>
                              Personally,
                              <br>
                              the only things I can think of are having
                              an apartment on top of
                              <br>
                              the
                              <br>
                              space
                              <br>
                              and being right next to a residential
                              house.  Other than that I
                              <br>
                              really
                              <br>
                              like
                              <br>
                              this space.
                              <br>
                              <br>
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