<div dir="ltr">I would love to lead some classes. Non computer related one, more hands on related ones.<br><br>Book making,<br>Machine tool related things.<br>Wood working<br>Even some more arts and craft related ones.<br>
<br>Im not saying I could teach all these. Knowing I don't have any real teachable skills at wood working or machining things, but I would love to find people that do. and would spend the time helping out. <br><br><br>
<br>And not quite class related, but I would love to implement more group project. I have plans and an idea for making an new large conference table and/or multiple nice tables for other locations. Instead of using cheap folding tables that people sit at with their computer.<br>
<div>And other projects building things like furniture for whatever new space we get.<br><br>After saying that, it could still be a class of some sort. Group skill building classes.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Mr. Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

  
    
  
  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
    Yay Kassie, :-)<br>
    <br>
    Check this out: "Classes provided more than <strong>60-75 percent</strong> of
    the income for Artisan’s Asylum in its early stages, and are a
    fundamental part of almost all makerspaces I’ve ever seen." That is
    a quote from Gui Cavalcanti one of the co-founders of Artisan’s
    Asylum.<br>
    <br>
    I just did the spread sheet for income and expenses and the biggest
    revenue stream by far... is classes, even if you only charge $15 /
    hour which is below market rate, and that is after you give half the
    income to the instuctror which is what Artisan’s Asylum did. Though
    I can't remember what models we came up with at a board meeting.
    Kassie knows though. ;-)<br>
    <br>
    So the bottom line is if we have a good quiet classroom or rooms we
    can afford a bigger space. :-)<br>
    <br>
        Clif<br>
    <br>
    On 10/20/2013 01:37 PM, Kassie wrote:
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      <div>One thing the board has been working on is classes and the
        opportunity for member to teach.  The new space will make this
        idea become reality easier.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>This will create three new perks for our members. One, the
        classes themselves. Two, the opportunity to make some money
        teaching. And three, members will have a discount on classes.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Additionally, this will create a new revenue stream for EMS
        for other benefits like tools.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Currently I'm leading this charge, so if you are interested
        in being a part let me know.  While its still early I would like
        to share some of the already intended classes.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Intro to blender and 3d modeling</div>
      <div>-focus on UI and basic animation </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Basic modeling in blender</div>
      <div>-covering basic modeling concepts</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Modeling for 3d printers</div>
      <div>- learning to create 3d object that can be printed</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Intro to Inkscape for cnc<br>
        -focus on creating cnc objects using ponoko</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Intro to gimp</div>
      <div>- focus on UI and basic photo manipulation.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Intro to the arduino </div>
      <div>- creating a basic circuit that will be controlled by the
        arduino. Focusing on the workflow and coding.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Right now I can't say more, but I should be able to say more
        soon.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Kassie </div>
      <div><br>
        Sent from my iPhone</div>
      <div><br>
        On Oct 20, 2013, at 12:32 PM, "Mr. Clif" <<a href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>>
        wrote:<br>
        <br>
      </div>
      <div><span></span></div>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <div>
          
          On 10/20/2013 11:56 AM, James Hukill wrote:
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <div dir="ltr">
              <div>Cliff, </div>
              <div>Excellent and thanks again for all the hard
                work on and coordinating the new shop hunting.</div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <br>
          Boy, what a slog, but You are very welcome :-)<br>
          <br>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <div dir="ltr">
              <div>Other topic (sponsorship, grants,
                endowments)</div>
              Is this exclusive to the EMS board or can other members
              take initiative and seek grants/endowments/sponsors and
              donations?  Are there items in the bylaws preventing
              multiply sources of income in this manner or does it
              require a board member to make these decisions?</div>
          </blockquote>
          <br>
          The board welcomes and encourages all the participation it can
          get. :-) Spontaneous activities are great, though to have a
          bit more coordination (read effectiveness) forming a
          committee  is probably a good way to go. Specifically, yes
          please "take initiative and seek grants/endowments/sponsors
          and donations."<br>
          <br>
          I think that yes, all donations probably have to be approved
          by the board. Certainly any that have strings attached. Though
          there is nothing preventing multiple sources of income.<br>
          <br>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <div dir="ltr">
              <div>Also, is this something that is a "board function",
                 to coordinate these duties?  example:
                <div>I think I remember that we got some Teensy boards
                  from Paul.  Did we ever do anything with them
                  post/brag about them or say thanks in a public way to
                  return the favor?  He has come out with the <a href="http://www.pjrc.com/store/teensy3.html" target="_blank">3.0</a> and

                  I don't think we got one, could be we did not follow
                  up with the one we got.<br>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <br>
          Yes it would be better if the board was a bit stronger in
          outreach, PR, and thanking our contributors. However our
          members could take the initiative and do a lot of that too. As
          long as you're not committing the organization to anything,
          only the board can do that.<br>
          <br>
          Hey James, thanks for the stimulating discussion on some very
          important isues!<br>
          <br>
              Clif<br>
          <br>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <div dir="ltr">
              <div>
                <div> </div>
                <div class="gmail_extra">
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:38
                    AM, Mr. Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                      <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Yes very
                        true James,<br>
                        <br>
                        this is why we are moving. Look toward the
                        future. ;-) I would be happy to have a sponsor
                        James, and I think some competition would be
                        great as a sponsored activity. However it should
                        be at our shop and ideally it should bring more
                        people there. Now, I'll admit I've been more
                        interested in applying for grants than looking
                        for sponsors that is my bias. I have even done
                        some quick googles for grants we might qualify
                        for when I was board, but currently landing a
                        new space takes most of my time. However I now
                        know of two grant writers in our community that
                        might be available to help if we ask them
                        nicely.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                            <br>
                                Clif</font></span>
                        <div>
                          <div><br>
                            <br>
                            On 10/20/2013 11:27 AM, James Hukill wrote:
                            <blockquote type="cite">
                              <div dir="ltr">I would be shocked if
                                anyone wants to use our current space as
                                a meeting room and pay for it.
                                <div><br>
                                  <div>So if you don't like the idea of
                                    having a meeting at a sponsor site,
                                    how about an event or competition of
                                    some sort?  Fastest beer chilling
                                    contraption or beer pouring bot?
                                     What are your limits for what EMS
                                    would do or with a sponsor?  </div>
                                  <div>I get you don't want one but
                                    there are possible enough members
                                    that do so what the middle ground?</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                <br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 20,
                                  2013 at 11:23 AM, Mr. Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                    <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I'm thinking
                                      instead of holding our meetings
                                      somewhere else and asking for
                                      sponsorship how about renting out
                                      our meeting room and getting extra
                                      money for that from other groups
                                      each month? That might even bring
                                      in more money and certainly get
                                      people down to our actual space
                                      not somewhere else.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                          <br>
                                              Clif</font></span>
                                      <div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          <br>
                                          On 10/20/2013 11:14 AM, James
                                          Hukill wrote:
                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                            <div dir="ltr">I totally
                                              agree that (IMHO) we
                                              can/should seek some
                                              sponsorship.  The topic
                                              has come up before and
                                              there are some senior
                                              members with valid points
                                              about making sure it's
                                              done tastefully.  The
                                              example (to take it to the
                                              extreme for the point) is
                                              they do not want the shop
                                              to look like NSCAR.  I get
                                              that 100% and agree.
                                               There has to be some
                                              middle ground though.
                                              <div> <br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>But, cart before the
                                                horse?.. When do we wait
                                                if at all to ask for
                                                some sponsorship?  What
                                                do we have to offer in
                                                return? Do we do it
                                                before we move?</div>
                                              <div>Simple example would
                                                be something like
                                                HopValley or Ninkasi.
                                                 We offerer to hold our
                                                membership meetings on
                                                site with them.  Most of
                                                us go and and have a
                                                drink now and again so
                                                might as well spend it
                                                with them.  They give
                                                EMS money and in return
                                                they know we will be
                                                onsite for a member
                                                meeting once a month
                                                that will bring them in
                                                x amount of $$.
                                                 Stickers at the shop
                                                with their logo, and or
                                                some type of newsletter
                                                with their logo name as
                                                a Sponsor... </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                              <br>
                                              <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at
                                                10:51 AM, Austin
                                                McKimmey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amckimmey@gmail.com" target="_blank">amckimmey@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                wrote:<br>
                                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                  <div dir="ltr">I feel
                                                    like we have
                                                    discussed membership
                                                    cost increasing many
                                                    times before. I
                                                    don't think it has
                                                    ever ended in any
                                                    actual consideration
                                                    to change anything
                                                    though. There are
                                                    some of us, me
                                                    included in not
                                                    embarrassed to say,
                                                    that $25 is a hell
                                                    of a lot to pay
                                                    already. There would
                                                    have to be a much
                                                    larger space and
                                                    brand new shiny
                                                    tools there for me
                                                    to consider paying
                                                    any more.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <div>Everyone has
                                                      heard me say this
                                                      before. I
                                                      personally think,
                                                      if we have a
                                                      presentable space.
                                                      Not something full
                                                      of junk and rusty
                                                      tools. We could
                                                      start asking for
                                                      sponsorship
                                                      funding from local
                                                      businesses.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      There is a lot we
                                                      can do.</div>
                                                    <span><font color="#888888">
                                                        <div>Austin</div>
                                                      </font></span></div>
                                                  <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                      <div>On Sun, Oct
                                                        20, 2013 at
                                                        10:06 AM, James
                                                        Hukill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:James@hukill.net" target="_blank">James@hukill.net</a>></span>
                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">I
                                                          agree, but,
                                                          there has to
                                                          be some value
                                                          add for the
                                                          increase dues.
                                                           Bigger space
                                                          with more room
                                                          and not a
                                                          project dump
                                                          (aka bike cart
                                                          overdue for
                                                          going away)
                                                          site is a
                                                          start.
                                                          <div> We might
                                                          chase folks
                                                          away and there
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </blockquote>
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