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    On 10/20/2013 11:56 AM, James Hukill wrote:
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        <div style="">Cliff, </div>
        <div style="">Excellent and thanks again for all the hard work
          on and coordinating the new shop hunting.</div>
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    Boy, what a slog, but You are very welcome :-)<br>
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        <div style="">Other topic (sponsorship, grants, endowments)</div>
        Is this exclusive to the EMS board or can other members take
        initiative and seek grants/endowments/sponsors and donations?
         Are there items in the bylaws preventing multiply sources of
        income in this manner or does it require a board member to make
        these decisions?</div>
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    The board welcomes and encourages all the participation it can get.
    :-) Spontaneous activities are great, though to have a bit more
    coordination (read effectiveness) forming a committee  is probably a
    good way to go. Specifically, yes please "take initiative and seek
    grants/endowments/sponsors and donations."<br>
    <br>
    I think that yes, all donations probably have to be approved by the
    board. Certainly any that have strings attached. Though there is
    nothing preventing multiple sources of income.<br>
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        <div>Also, is this something that is a "board function",  to
          coordinate these duties?  example:
          <div>I think I remember that we got some Teensy boards from
            Paul.  Did we ever do anything with them post/brag about
            them or say thanks in a public way to return the favor?  He
            has come out with the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://www.pjrc.com/store/teensy3.html">3.0</a> and
            I don't think we got one, could be we did not follow up with
            the one we got.<br>
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    Yes it would be better if the board was a bit stronger in outreach,
    PR, and thanking our contributors. However our members could take
    the initiative and do a lot of that too. As long as you're not
    committing the organization to anything, only the board can do that.<br>
    <br>
    Hey James, thanks for the stimulating discussion on some very
    important isues!<br>
    <br>
        Clif<br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM,
              Mr. Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
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                <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Yes very true
                  James,<br>
                  <br>
                  this is why we are moving. Look toward the future. ;-)
                  I would be happy to have a sponsor James, and I think
                  some competition would be great as a sponsored
                  activity. However it should be at our shop and ideally
                  it should bring more people there. Now, I'll admit
                  I've been more interested in applying for grants than
                  looking for sponsors that is my bias. I have even done
                  some quick googles for grants we might qualify for
                  when I was board, but currently landing a new space
                  takes most of my time. However I now know of two grant
                  writers in our community that might be available to
                  help if we ask them nicely.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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                      <br>
                          Clif</font></span>
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                      On 10/20/2013 11:27 AM, James Hukill wrote:
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                        <div dir="ltr">I would be shocked if anyone
                          wants to use our current space as a meeting
                          room and pay for it.
                          <div><br>
                            <div>So if you don't like the idea of having
                              a meeting at a sponsor site, how about an
                              event or competition of some sort?
                               Fastest beer chilling contraption or beer
                              pouring bot?  What are your limits for
                              what EMS would do or with a sponsor?  </div>
                            <div>I get you don't want one but there are
                              possible enough members that do so what
                              the middle ground?</div>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 20, 2013
                            at 11:23 AM, Mr. Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com"
                                target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span>
                            wrote:<br>
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                              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I'm
                                thinking instead of holding our meetings
                                somewhere else and asking for
                                sponsorship how about renting out our
                                meeting room and getting extra money for
                                that from other groups each month? That
                                might even bring in more money and
                                certainly get people down to our actual
                                space not somewhere else.<span><font
                                    color="#888888"><br>
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                                        Clif</font></span>
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                                    On 10/20/2013 11:14 AM, James Hukill
                                    wrote:
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                                      <div dir="ltr">I totally agree
                                        that (IMHO) we can/should seek
                                        some sponsorship.  The topic has
                                        come up before and there are
                                        some senior members with valid
                                        points about making sure it's
                                        done tastefully.  The example
                                        (to take it to the extreme for
                                        the point) is they do not want
                                        the shop to look like NSCAR.  I
                                        get that 100% and agree.  There
                                        has to be some middle ground
                                        though.
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                                        <div>But, cart before the
                                          horse?.. When do we wait if at
                                          all to ask for some
                                          sponsorship?  What do we have
                                          to offer in return? Do we do
                                          it before we move?</div>
                                        <div>Simple example would be
                                          something like HopValley or
                                          Ninkasi.  We offerer to hold
                                          our membership meetings on
                                          site with them.  Most of us go
                                          and and have a drink now and
                                          again so might as well spend
                                          it with them.  They give EMS
                                          money and in return they know
                                          we will be onsite for a member
                                          meeting once a month that will
                                          bring them in x amount of $$.
                                           Stickers at the shop with
                                          their logo, and or some type
                                          of newsletter with their logo
                                          name as a Sponsor... </div>
                                      </div>
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                                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun,
                                          Oct 20, 2013 at 10:51 AM,
                                          Austin McKimmey <span
                                            dir="ltr"><<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:amckimmey@gmail.com"
                                              target="_blank">amckimmey@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                          wrote:<br>
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                                            <div dir="ltr">I feel like
                                              we have discussed
                                              membership cost increasing
                                              many times before. I don't
                                              think it has ever ended in
                                              any actual consideration
                                              to change anything though.
                                              There are some of us, me
                                              included in not
                                              embarrassed to say, that
                                              $25 is a hell of a lot to
                                              pay already. There would
                                              have to be a much larger
                                              space and brand new shiny
                                              tools there for me to
                                              consider paying any more.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              <div>Everyone has heard me
                                                say this before. I
                                                personally think, if we
                                                have a presentable
                                                space. Not something
                                                full of junk and rusty
                                                tools. We could start
                                                asking for sponsorship
                                                funding from local
                                                businesses.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                There is a lot we can
                                                do.</div>
                                              <span><font
                                                  color="#888888">
                                                  <div>Austin</div>
                                                </font></span></div>
                                            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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                                              <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                <div>On Sun, Oct 20,
                                                  2013 at 10:06 AM,
                                                  James Hukill <span
                                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:James@hukill.net" target="_blank">James@hukill.net</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
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                                                      <div dir="ltr">I
                                                        agree, but,
                                                        there has to be
                                                        some value add
                                                        for the increase
                                                        dues.  Bigger
                                                        space with more
                                                        room and not a
                                                        project dump
                                                        (aka bike cart
                                                        overdue for
                                                        going away) site
                                                        is a start.
                                                        <div> We might
                                                          chase folks
                                                          away and there
                                                          are some
                                                          current
                                                          members that
                                                          the current
                                                          dues are
                                                          already at
                                                          their max.
                                                           The idea of
                                                          some shop work
                                                          credit has
                                                          been thrown
                                                          about but I
                                                          never heard
                                                          what he board
                                                          had to say
                                                          about it(?).
                                                           If you are at
                                                          your max dues
                                                          then you have
                                                          open and close
                                                          the open house
                                                          nights or
                                                          other shop
                                                          duties,  well
                                                          lets be honest
                                                          chores for
                                                          lack of a
                                                          better term.
                                                           The shit no
                                                          one wants to
                                                          due but needs
                                                          to get done
                                                          and if that
                                                          helps you stay
                                                          in at a price
                                                          you can afford
                                                          I am all for
                                                          that.<br>
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                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>But more
                                                          to the point
                                                          you were
                                                          working on.
                                                          Better tools,
                                                          toys and
                                                          resources for
                                                          current and a
                                                          draw for
                                                          future
                                                          members.  IMHO
                                                          I think a new
                                                          space will
                                                          breed some new
                                                          enthusiasm
                                                          into the shop
                                                          and might
                                                          bring some
                                                          life back into
                                                          EMS.. who
                                                          knows... </div>
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                                                        <div>Is there a
                                                          list of tools
                                                          we want/need
                                                          anymore?  It
                                                          used to be on
                                                          the whiteboard
                                                          and was
                                                          supposed to
                                                          get
                                                          transferred to
                                                          a  inventory
                                                          system that
                                                          was going
                                                          online?  That
                                                          I was
                                                          Kassandra I
                                                          think.  Do we
                                                          have a
                                                          location for
                                                          groups
                                                          projects and
                                                          their status?</div>
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                                                          <div>On Sun,
                                                          Oct 20, 2013
                                                          at 9:49 AM,
                                                          Cord Slatton <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cord42@gmail.com" target="_blank">cord42@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Recently

                                                          Marie came
                                                          across an
                                                          article that
                                                          explained
                                                          Makerspaces
                                                          and their
                                                          costs and gave
                                                          a range of
                                                          services etc.
                                                          for a variety
                                                          of areas and
                                                          uses...The
                                                          lowest
                                                          membership
                                                          dues even
                                                          listed were
                                                          $35/month.
                                                          Maybe we need
                                                          to increase
                                                          our dues just
                                                          slightly to
                                                          give us more
                                                          flexibility
                                                          and to allow
                                                          us to invest
                                                          in ourselves
                                                          and have
                                                          better
                                                          equipment and
                                                          a better
                                                          location.</div>
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