<div dir="ltr">Almost everything in our current shop (I can't call it the "old shop" yet) is hanging off a single 20 amp breaker.  The only significant exceptions are the welder (30 A) and the heater (40 A).  We do not run those together, though we might like to.<div>
<br></div><div>20 + 30 + 40 = 90.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Chuck Edson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chuckedson@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chuckedson@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<span>I am about 95% sure we got the wire size correct.  It looks like the size was AWG400 Aluminum.  The maximum amperage that can carry is 270 amps, according to my Ugly's Electrical Reference book (a must have if you want to get into Electrical work).  However, you need to factor in the resistance per foot of cable.  My rough estimate of how long the main run is back to the main breaker (~150 feet) brings it down to about 240 amps max for the conductor (with 200 amp service, this leaves 40 amps as a buffer).</span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent"><br></div><div style="background-color:transparent"><span>The breaker box in the space is rated at max 200 amps -- if you add up all the breakers in the box, it goes way over 200 amps, but many of the 20
 amp breakers installed in the box appear to control one light or small room, and would never come close to using the full 20 amps of the circuit -- so apparently they old occupants were using the breaker box for switching stuff on and off, which is not uncommon in an industrial space.</span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent"><br></div><div style="background-color:transparent"><span>200 amps is not a lot of power when you have  several large power consumers, like kilns, electric glass furnaces, or a 7000 watt laser for cutting steel plate.</span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent"><br></div><div style="background-color:transparent"><span>As for the question of "Is it enough?"  that just takes someone going down to the old shop and looking at the electrical data plates on equipment that show the amperage/wattage they will use, and adding them up. For instance, the welder probably takes a good amount of power.
  I would assume the Tesla coil uses a decent amount of amperage.  A large table saw probably has a good draw.</span></div><div style="background-color:transparent"><br></div><div style="background-color:transparent"><span>So, we add up all the equipment that is currently in use at the old shop to get a baseline of power needed, then think forward about what may be added in the future.  Then an educated decision can be made.</span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent"><br></div><div style="background-color:transparent">Here are some examples for 120 volt things (Watts/Volts=Amps):</div><div style="background-color:transparent"><br></div><div style="background-color:transparent">
800 Watt Desktop Computer + monitor ~7A</div><div style="background-color:transparent">1500 Watt Microwave  12.5A</div><div style="background-color:transparent">Iron  ~10A</div><div style="background-color:transparent">Refrigerator ~2A</div>
<div style="background-color:transparent">Clothes Dryer ~7A</div><div style="background-color:transparent">60 Watt Incandescent Bulb .5A</div><div><span></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent">1500 Watt Space Heater 12.5A</div>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div></div><div> </div><div>Chuck Edson<br><a href="tel:541-232-3515" value="+15412323515" target="_blank">541-232-3515</a><br><a href="mailto:chuckedson@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chuckedson@yahoo.com</a></div>
</font></span><div><br></div><div class="hm HOEnZb">  </div><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div class="hm HOEnZb"> </div><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
<div class="hm HOEnZb"> </div><div dir="ltr"><div class="hm HOEnZb"> <hr size="1">  </div><font face="Arial"><div class="hm HOEnZb"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Mr. Clif <<a href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>><br>
 <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:chuckedson@yahoo.com" target="_blank">chuckedson@yahoo.com</a> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:discuss@eugenemakerspace.com" target="_blank">discuss@eugenemakerspace.com</a>"
 <<a href="mailto:discuss@eugenemakerspace.com" target="_blank">discuss@eugenemakerspace.com</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:36 PM</div><div><div class="h5">
<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [EMS Discuss] [EMS Board] Missed board meeting<br> </div></div></font> </div><div><div class="h5"> <div><br><div><div>
    Hi Chuck,<br clear="none">
    Thanks a bunch for helping with this. How sure are you that we got
    the wire size correct, and do you think that is enough? :-)<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
        Clif<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    On 10/24/2013 07:19 PM, Chuck Edson wrote:
    <div><blockquote type="cite">
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              <div dir="ltr">So after looking up the wire size and
                compensating for the length of the run to the main
                breaker, it looks like 200 amp (max) service at the
                Tyinn building.<br clear="none">
              </div>
              <div dir="ltr">Chuck Edson<br clear="none">
                <a href="tel:541-232-3515" value="+15412323515" target="_blank">541-232-3515</a></div>
              <div dir="ltr">Please excuse typos. Sent from a device with
                tiny, tiny keys.</div>
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            <div style="font-size:0.9em">
              <hr size="1"> <b> <span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span>
              </b> Mr. Clif <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank"><clif@eugeneweb.com></a>; <br clear="none">
              <b> <span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span> </b>
              <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:discuss@eugenemakerspace.com" target="_blank">discuss@eugenemakerspace.com</a>
              <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:discuss@eugenemakerspace.com" target="_blank"><discuss@eugenemakerspace.com></a>; <br clear="none">
              <b> <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span> </b>
              Re: [EMS Discuss] [EMS Board] Missed board meeting <br clear="none">
              <b> <span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span> </b>
              Thu, Oct 24, 2013 11:59:56 PM <br clear="none">
            </div>
            <br clear="none">
            <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top"> Hmmmm I thought we switched our
                    current lease to "month to month" a long time ago
                    just so we could move quickly on something like
                    this.<br clear="none">
                    <br clear="none">
                        Clif<br clear="none">
                    <br clear="none">
                    On 10/24/2013 04:49 PM, Rick Osgood wrote:
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <div dir="ltr">It's not a big deal as long as we
                        have $3000 to pay right off the bat.  That's a
                        lot of money to have all at once, especially
                        considering how our bank account usually looks.
                        Not that I don't think we are capable of making
                        it happen.
                        <div> <br clear="none">
                        </div>
                        <div>We also need to keep in mind that even if
                          we get the first 60 days for free, we still
                          have to pay rent during that time on our
                          current space.  So we'd need to raise the
                          $3000 plus pay $1000 to our current landlord
                          during that time.  And I'm pretty sure we have
                          to give 90 days notice on our current lease
                          which means we either have to do that 30 days
                          before the 60 day thing starts, or we end up
                          paying rent on two spaces after our 60 days is
                          up.  Unless of course our current landlord is
                          nice and doesn't hold us to the 90 days.</div>
                      </div>
                      <div><br clear="none">
                        <br clear="none">
                        <div>On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at
                          4:44 PM, Mr. Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span>
                          wrote:<br clear="none">
                          <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                            <div> I think we are wondering if you can
                              meet tomorrow or Kassie will forgive us
                              for meeting without her. I just left some
                              voice mail for her, and sent a text.  If
                              we don't hear from her then I guess you
                              get to decide Kevin.<br clear="none">
                              <br clear="none">
                              Currently everything is split phase with
                              three phase being an option later. In our
                              current space having a heater does not
                              mean we use it that much, so having gas
                              does not mean we will use it that much.
                              Also apparently you can independently
                              control the heat in the office area from
                              the shop.<br clear="none">
                              <br clear="none">
                              Yes I think you are right, another way of
                              looking at it is that we are forgiven the
                              first two months rent but we owe two
                              months rent right off the bat. Not a big
                              deal. We are planing on paying the rent
                              right? ;-)<br clear="none">
                              <br clear="none">
                                  See ya there!<span><font color="#888888"><br clear="none">
                                      Clif</font></span>
                              <div>
                                <div><br clear="none">
                                  <br clear="none">
                                  <br clear="none">
                                  On 10/24/2013 04:20 PM, Kevin King
                                  wrote:
                                  <blockquote type="cite">
                                    <div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">So did we
                                      decide to meet tonight?  I am
                                      concerned about utilities. 
                                      Suzanne commented that three phase
                                      power was much more expensive.  If
                                      the lights were three phase, it
                                      could be like $300 for electric. 
                                      And if we have a gas bill, that
                                      will be at least another $100.<br clear="none">
                                      <br clear="none">
                                      I was also a little confused by
                                      the LOI.  I know we discussed not
                                      paying rent the first few months,
                                      but the way it was worded, it
                                      kinda seemed like we would owe $3k
                                      on November 1st (first and last). 
                                      Am I missing something?<br clear="none">
                                      <br clear="none">
                                      -Kevin<br clear="none">
                                      <div><span><br clear="none">
                                        </span></div>
                                      <div><br clear="none">
                                      </div>
                                      <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">
                                        <div style="font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif;font-size:12pt">
                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                            <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
                                              Mr. Clif <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><clif@eugeneweb.com></a><br clear="none">
                                              <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
                                              Rick Osgood <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><rick@richardosgood.com></a>
                                              <br clear="none">
                                              <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
                                              Kevin King <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><kd7ahu@att.net></a>;
                                              board <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><board@eugenemakerspace.com></a>
                                              <br clear="none">
                                              <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                                              Thursday, October 24, 2013
                                              9:03 AM<br clear="none">
                                              <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                                              Re: [EMS Board] Missed
                                              board meeting<br clear="none">
                                            </font> </div>
                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                            <div>
                                              <div> Yes Kassie can only
                                                make it tomorrow  (if
                                                she can get back in
                                                time) but I'm ok with
                                                today unless she would
                                                feel left out.<br clear="none">
                                                <br clear="none">
                                                I will ask about
                                                utilities.<br clear="none">
                                                <br clear="none">
                                                    Clif<br clear="none">
                                                <br clear="none">
                                                <br clear="none">
                                                On 10/24/2013 08:45 AM,
                                                Rick Osgood wrote:
                                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                                  <div dir="ltr">I'm
                                                    confused. What day
                                                    are we meeting?  It
                                                    sounded like people
                                                    were leaning towards
                                                    Friday.  Thursday
                                                    works better for me
                                                    though since we are
                                                    already meeting.
                                                     However I can do
                                                    Friday if it's the
                                                    only option.</div>
                                                  <div><br clear="none">
                                                    <br clear="none">
                                                    <div>On Thu, Oct 24,
                                                      2013 at 4:17 AM,
                                                      Kevin King <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">kd7ahu@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
                                                      <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>Tonight
                                                          at 6:30pm
                                                          works for me.
                                                          Do we have any
                                                          idea how much
                                                          the utilities
                                                          will be?<br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          On Oct 23,
                                                          2013, at 9:10
                                                          AM, Bob Miller
                                                          <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">kbob@jogger-egg.com</a>>




                                                          wrote:<br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Who
                                                          can NOT make
                                                          an emergency
                                                          board session
                                                          at 6:30
                                                          tomorrow
                                                          night?  Kevin?
                                                           Kassie?</div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          <div>On Wed,
                                                          Oct 23, 2013
                                                          at 9:02 AM,
                                                          Rick Osgood <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">rick@richardosgood.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br clear="none">
                                                          <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">I
                                                          say let's just
                                                          meet tomorrow
                                                          since we'll be
                                                          getting
                                                          together to
                                                          check out the
                                                          space anyway.</div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          <div>On Wed,
                                                          Oct 23, 2013
                                                          at 9:00 AM,
                                                          Bob Miller <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">kbob@jogger-egg.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br clear="none">
                                                          <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">I
                                                          agree that we
                                                          really need to
                                                          meet Thursday
                                                          or Friday.
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I am
                                                          available any
                                                          time.  I am
                                                          *not*
                                                          available on
                                                          Saturday or
                                                          Sunday -- the
                                                          Eugene Concert
                                                          Choir is
                                                          performing in
                                                          Bend, and Anne
                                                          and I are
                                                          making a
                                                          weekend of it.</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          <div>On Wed,
                                                          Oct 23, 2013
                                                          at 8:56 AM,
                                                          Mr. Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br clear="none">
                                                          <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Great!




                                                          Well if we are
                                                          going to meet
                                                          after the walk
                                                          through and
                                                          before the
                                                          weekend then
                                                          that leaves
                                                          either Tomrrow
                                                          at 7:00 or
                                                          Friday at our
                                                          usual time
                                                          which is when
                                                          open Hack
                                                          night starts.
                                                          So we could
                                                          either meet at
                                                          my house which
                                                          is the closest
                                                          to the space,
                                                          and head down
                                                          there
                                                          afterwards, or
                                                          at the space.
                                                          What do you
                                                          think?<span><font color="#888888"><br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                              Clif</font></span>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          On 10/21/2013
                                                          12:17 PM, Bob
                                                          Miller wrote:<br clear="none">
                                                          <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          Fine by me.  I
                                                          am available
                                                          any weeknight
                                                          but will be
                                                          out of town
                                                          this weekend.<br clear="none">
                                                          <br clear="none">
                                                          On Sun, Oct
                                                          20, 2013 at
                                                          4:27 PM, Mr.
                                                          Clif<<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>>




                                                           wrote:<br clear="none">
                                                          <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          Hi guys,<br clear="none">
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                                                          EMS stuff
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                                                          missing that
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                                                          trying to make
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                                                          I'm hoping
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                                                          before the
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                                                               Clif<br clear="none">
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                                                          K<bob><br clear="none">
                                                                       
                                                                       
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Bob Miller                              K<bob><br>                                        <a href="mailto:kbob@jogger-egg.com">kbob@jogger-egg.com</a><br>

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