<div dir="ltr"><div><div>> My recommendation is to only move it if there is *Really* interest
    in completing it sometime this year. <br>> Otherwise those parts are
    likely to be lost or become unusable. Though I'm happy to go with
    the flow.<br><br></div>My thought as well.  Cord/Taper, thoughts?  I'm game (I did a little work a couple weeks ago but am not willing to be lone cheerleader here).  <br><br></div>Ben<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br clear="all"><div>- Ben</div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Mr. Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

  
    
  
  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
    My recommendation is to only move it if there is *Really* interest
    in completing it sometime this year. Otherwise those parts are
    likely to be lost or become unusable. Though I'm happy to go with
    the flow. <br><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
    <br>
        Clif</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
    <br>
    <div>On 02/20/2014 04:11 PM, Rick Osgood
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">I'll be there at 1 to help do whatever.  Sounds
        like it's getting moved to Veneta so let's plan on removing the
        bicycle trailers from the thing and then loading it into the
        trailer.  Then you guys can take it wherever you want.</div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Mr.
          Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Ohhhhh you don't need
              a truck, sorry I didn't pick up on that. I'd be happy to
              go out there with you and help move it to it's resting
              place.... ;-)<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                  <br>
                      Clif</font></span>
              <div>
                <div><br>
                  <br>
                  <div>On 02/20/2014 04:04 PM, Ben Hallert wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div>
                        <div>Hi Clif,<br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        I thought that was fairly clear in my mail, but
                        perhaps I didn't phrase it properly; Yes, I have
                        a trailer that can probably carry it and a car
                        that can pull the trailer.<br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      Ben<br>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
                      <div>- Ben</div>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at
                        4:01 PM, Mr. Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                            <div>So here is my email from just two days
                              ago:<br>
                              <br>
                              On 02/18/2014 10:30 AM, Mr. Clif wrote:<br>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote type="cite"> So my offer still
                              stands to help transport the Gallery out
                              to the storage area in Veneta. We probably
                              need a trailer unless it can be partially
                              disassembled enough to fit under my camper
                              top. Otherwise I think the tare down day
                              is this Saturday. <br>
                              <br>
                                  Clif</blockquote>
                            <div><br>
                              Ben, are you offering your trailer?<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                  <br>
                                      Clif</font></span>
                              <div>
                                <div><br>
                                  <br>
                                  On 02/20/2014 03:52 PM, Ben Hallert
                                  wrote:<br>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div dir="ltr">That's good because the
                                    trailers would complicate my ability
                                    to haul it to wherever.  The bed on
                                    the trailer is 6' long and we can
                                    have some overhang, I think it
                                    should fit with a little swearing. 
                                    Is it going somewhere to rot or some
                                    place good?  If it's going to rot in
                                    someone's barn as a 'possible future
                                    project', we might want to do the
                                    tear down but that's just my
                                    opinion.<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
                                    <div>- Ben</div>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb
                                      20, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Rick Osgood <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rick@richardosgood.com" target="_blank">rick@richardosgood.com</a>></span>
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                        <div dir="ltr">I'm happy to help
                                          load it into a trailer on
                                          Saturday instead of tear it
                                          down if that's what you guys
                                          want to do.  I think Cord
                                          wants the bike trailers off of
                                          it regardless though.</div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div class="gmail_extra"> <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at
                                                3:48 PM, Ben Hallert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ben@hallert.net" target="_blank">ben@hallert.net</a>></span>
                                                wrote:<br>
                                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                                    <div>If it gets torn
                                                      down, I want to
                                                      participate and
                                                      claim some parts. 
                                                      If anyone is
                                                      invested in
                                                      transporting it to
                                                      the mysterious
                                                      Veneta deep freeze
                                                      storage compound,
                                                      I have a trailer
                                                      and can probably
                                                      haul it with
                                                      assistance.  <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    Ben<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                                      </font></span></div>
                                                  <div class="gmail_extra"><span><font color="#888888"><br clear="all">
                                                        <div>- Ben</div>
                                                      </font></span>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div> <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div class="gmail_quote">On

                                                          Thu, Feb 20,
                                                          2014 at 3:46
                                                          PM, Rick
                                                          Osgood <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rick@richardosgood.com" target="_blank">rick@richardosgood.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Is
                                                          anyone
                                                          planning to
                                                          come on
                                                          Saturday and
                                                          help tear this
                                                          thing down?  I
                                                          haven't even
                                                          heard anyone
                                                          say that they
                                                          want any of
                                                          the parts from
                                                          it.</div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra">
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          On Thu, Feb
                                                          13, 2014 at
                                                          8:15 PM, Rick
                                                          Osgood <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rick@richardosgood.com" target="_blank">rick@richardosgood.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">It's

                                                          been a week
                                                          and there has
                                                          been no
                                                          movement on
                                                          this.  I'm
                                                          scheduling a <b>tear

                                                          down</b> day
                                                          for <b>Saturday,


                                                          February 22 at
                                                          1:00PM</b>. If
                                                          someone wants
                                                          to haul the
                                                          thing away for
                                                          off-site
                                                          storage before
                                                          then, that's
                                                          fine.  I know
                                                          Cord has
                                                          mentioned that
                                                          he wants the
                                                          bike trailers
                                                          before it gets
                                                          stored off
                                                          site somewhere
                                                          so just make
                                                          sure you talk
                                                          to him about
                                                          that first.
                                                           Also, if you
                                                          take it,
                                                          please
                                                          announce it
                                                          here so
                                                          everyone knows
                                                          who did what,
                                                          and why.
                                                          <div> <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>If you
                                                          have some
                                                          parts on the
                                                          target gallery
                                                          that you need
                                                          saved and you
                                                          can't make it
                                                          to the tear
                                                          down, please
                                                          make it known
                                                          publicly so
                                                          they can be
                                                          set aside for
                                                          you.  Maybe we
                                                          can bring some
                                                          beers and
                                                          pizza and make
                                                          this fun?
                                                           We'll iron
                                                          out the
                                                          details as the
                                                          day
                                                          approaches.  I
                                                          have it on the
                                                          EMS calendar.
                                                           If you like
                                                          to break
                                                          things apart,
                                                          please show up
                                                          and help out.
                                                           The more
                                                          people we
                                                          have, ideally
                                                          the more fun
                                                          it will be and
                                                          the faster we
                                                          will get this
                                                          done.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Rick</div>
                                                          </font></span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On


                                                          Fri, Feb 7,
                                                          2014 at 4:11
                                                          PM, Benjamin
                                                          Hallert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ben@vipmail.com" target="_blank">ben@vipmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <span>If we
                                                          need to
                                                          transport it,
                                                          I have a small
                                                          truckbed
                                                          trailer that
                                                          might be able
                                                          to handle it.
                                                          I can bring
                                                          the trailer by
                                                          the shop and
                                                          we can
                                                          brainstorm to
                                                          see if it
                                                          could move it
                                                          or not.</span>
                                                          <div>- Ben</div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div> <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <p>On Fri, Feb
                                                          7, 2014 at
                                                          4:10 PM, Rick
                                                          Osgood <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rick@richardosgood.com" target="_blank">rick@richardosgood.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">I
                                                          do realize
                                                          it's not going
                                                          anywhere until
                                                          the snow and
                                                          ice is melted.
                                                           We need an
                                                          answer for who
                                                          is doing what
                                                          and when so it
                                                          doesn't sit
                                                          around for
                                                          another month
                                                          or two while
                                                          everyone waits
                                                          for someone
                                                          else to do
                                                          something.  I
                                                          don't see why
                                                          someone can't
                                                          commit to
                                                          taking it and
                                                          just say when
                                                          they think
                                                          they can do
                                                          it.  If no one
                                                          commits to
                                                          taking it then
                                                          we have to
                                                          break it down.</div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra">
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On


                                                          Fri, Feb 7,
                                                          2014 at 4:04
                                                          PM, Mr. Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div> Well why
                                                          don't we talk
                                                          about it next
                                                          week when the
                                                          roads are
                                                          clear again.
                                                          Though I was
                                                          just out
                                                          having fun in
                                                          my truck.<br>
                                                          Also it won't
                                                          fit in my
                                                          truck because
                                                          of the camper
                                                          shell so we'll
                                                          either need a
                                                          trailer or
                                                          another truck.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                              Ciao!<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                                              Clif</font></span>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div> <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>On
                                                          02/07/2014
                                                          03:55 PM, Rick
                                                          Osgood wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">OK


                                                          it sounds like
                                                          maybe the plan
                                                          is to move the
                                                          target range
                                                          somewhere
                                                          else.  Clif
                                                          was the only
                                                          person who
                                                          seemed to know
                                                          an off site
                                                          location
                                                          suitable.  Who
                                                          is going to
                                                          bring the
                                                          project there
                                                          and when?</div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra">
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On


                                                          Fri, Feb 7,
                                                          2014 at 2:07
                                                          PM, Weston
                                                          Turner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wstnturner@gmail.com" target="_blank">wstnturner@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks


                                                          for your input
                                                          Taper,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I like the
                                                          idea of
                                                          off-siting it
                                                          too. That way
                                                          the project
                                                          can at least
                                                          be resumed at
                                                          a later date,
                                                          and it won't
                                                          be taking up
                                                          space at the
                                                          Makerspace. It
                                                          seems like a
                                                          good
                                                          compromise
                                                          solution to
                                                          me.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Regards,<br>
                                                          Weston<br>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div> <br>
                                                          > On Feb 7,
                                                          2014, at 1:02
                                                          PM, Taper
                                                          Wickel <<a href="mailto:taper@waxwolf.com" target="_blank">taper@waxwolf.com</a>>



                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > I was the
                                                          only other
                                                          person besides
                                                          Cord working
                                                          on it -- and
                                                          I'll<br>
                                                          > have no
                                                          time to work
                                                          on it for
                                                          quite a while,
                                                          what with
                                                          stuff.  I kind<br>
                                                          > of like
                                                          the idea of
                                                          off-siting it
                                                          for a while,
                                                          but if no one
                                                          else<br>
                                                          > wants to
                                                          work on it
                                                          going forward
                                                          it might be
                                                          best to tear
                                                          it down.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > Taper.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          >> On
                                                          Thu, Feb 6,
                                                          2014 at 11:54
                                                          AM, Rick
                                                          Osgood <<a href="mailto:rick@richardosgood.com" target="_blank">rick@richardosgood.com</a>>



                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          >> Just
                                                          a reminder
                                                          that it's been
                                                          just about a
                                                          week since
                                                          this was sent
                                                          out.<br>
                                                          >> Has
                                                          the team
                                                          decided what
                                                          to do?  I only
                                                          heard two
                                                          people chime
                                                          in that<br>
                                                          >>
                                                          disassembling
                                                          it was
                                                          reasonable but
                                                          that there was
                                                          also possible
                                                          storage for<br>
                                                          >> the
                                                          project as-is
                                                          in Veneta.
                                                           Any more
                                                          thoughts?<br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          On Fri, Jan
                                                          31, 2014 at
                                                          11:39 AM, Mr.
                                                          Clif <<a href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>>



                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>> I
                                                          can offer some
                                                          offsite
                                                          storage for
                                                          the shooting
                                                          gallery in
                                                          Veneta.<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>  
                                                           Clif<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          On 01/31/2014
                                                          08:18 AM, Rick
                                                          Osgood wrote:<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          During the
                                                          space
                                                          improvement
                                                          night we got
                                                          to discussing
                                                          the target<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          shooting range
                                                          project again.
                                                           This can be a
                                                          touchy subject
                                                          because some<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          members put a
                                                          lot of time
                                                          and money into
                                                          this project
                                                          already.  Some
                                                          other<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          members feel
                                                          that it takes
                                                          up too much
                                                          space for the
                                                          value it
                                                          brings to EMS,<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          and some also
                                                          question the
                                                          value it would
                                                          bring even if
                                                          it was
                                                          finished and<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          functional (in
                                                          comparison to
                                                          the space it
                                                          takes up)<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          We've had
                                                          several email
                                                          threads about
                                                          this subject
                                                          in the past
                                                          and they<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          generally end
                                                          with people
                                                          saying they
                                                          don't want to
                                                          scrap the
                                                          project and<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          they will help
                                                          out on the
                                                          project, but
                                                          only a couple
                                                          of people ever
                                                          seem to<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          actually
                                                          follow
                                                          through.  And
                                                          unfortunately
                                                          those people
                                                          don't have the
                                                          time<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          or funding to
                                                          finish it
                                                          right now.  At
                                                          this point
                                                          something has
                                                          to be done.<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          We believe
                                                          there are a
                                                          few options
                                                          for this
                                                          project:<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          Option 1. We
                                                          can
                                                          disassemble
                                                          the project.
                                                           People can
                                                          take their
                                                          stuff<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          back and
                                                          useful
                                                          unclaimed
                                                          parts can go
                                                          into bins for
                                                          public use.
                                                           Maybe we<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          can save some
                                                          pieces for
                                                          display?  Like
                                                          Bob the robot
                                                          or the awesome
                                                          ammo<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          case with guns
                                                          inside.
                                                           Anything that
                                                          can be
                                                          displayed
                                                          without taking
                                                          up too<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          much space.
                                                           The rest gets
                                                          recycled or
                                                          thrown away.<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          Option 2. The
                                                          team needs to
                                                          start paying
                                                          for project
                                                          storage as per
                                                          the<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          EMS storage
                                                          policy.<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          Option 3. If
                                                          the team
                                                          doesn't want
                                                          to pay, the
                                                          team needs to
                                                          get 51% of<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          the membership
                                                          to approve the
                                                          project as a
                                                          sponsored
                                                          project as per
                                                          the EMS<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          storage
                                                          policy.<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          Option 4. The
                                                          team can take
                                                          the project
                                                          off site to
                                                          store it/work
                                                          on it<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          until they can
                                                          find the time
                                                          to put more
                                                          work into it.<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>> I
                                                          think it would
                                                          be fair to
                                                          take a week to
                                                          discuss this
                                                          and let the<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          members who
                                                          are involved
                                                          make a
                                                          decision.
                                                           Then we can
                                                          move forward
                                                          as a<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          community from
                                                          there.  Let's
                                                          have the
                                                          discussion in
                                                          this thread
                                                          and figure<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          it out.  I'll
                                                          send out an
                                                          update on
                                                          2/7/2014 so
                                                          this isn't
                                                          forgotten.<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          Rick<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          _______________________________________________<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          Discuss
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          >>> <a href="mailto:Discuss@eugenemakerspace.com" target="_blank">Discuss@eugenemakerspace.com</a><br>
                                                          >>> <a href="http://eugenemakerspace.com/mailman/listinfo/com.eugenemakerspace.discuss" target="_blank">http://eugenemakerspace.com/mailman/listinfo/com.eugenemakerspace.discuss</a><br>

                                                          >><br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          >>
                                                          _______________________________________________<br>
                                                          >>
                                                          Discuss
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          >> <a href="mailto:Discuss@eugenemakerspace.com" target="_blank">Discuss@eugenemakerspace.com</a><br>
                                                          >> <a href="http://eugenemakerspace.com/mailman/listinfo/com.eugenemakerspace.discuss" target="_blank">http://eugenemakerspace.com/mailman/listinfo/com.eugenemakerspace.discuss</a><br>

                                                          >
                                                          _______________________________________________<br>
                                                          > Discuss
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          > <a href="mailto:Discuss@eugenemakerspace.com" target="_blank">Discuss@eugenemakerspace.com</a><br>
                                                          > <a href="http://eugenemakerspace.com/mailman/listinfo/com.eugenemakerspace.discuss" target="_blank">http://eugenemakerspace.com/mailman/listinfo/com.eugenemakerspace.discuss</a><br>

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