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    Hi gang,<br>
    <br>
    Ok Tom, Ben, and Sam, and I saw the space and enjoyed talking to the
    Realtor who was very nice about it.<br>
    Some of us were brainstorming about how to carve off 1000 sqft of
    additional quite space for classrooms. It wouldn't be that hard,
    just one wall and a ceiling. Which if done right would give us
    storage on the top. Then Marie could have large sewing classes
    etc...<br>
    <br>
    So lets look at what criteria it meets:<br>
    <br>
    * Over 2000 sqft <br>
    * In fact enough space for Ben to build his airplane.<br>
    * About $1000 / mo<br>
    * About 30 - 40% office space some of which we could rent out.<br>
    * Two bay doors<br>
    * 240V and three phase breakers in the panel.<br>
    * Three separate breaker panels with room in them.<br>
    * On the bus line.<br>
    * Has a deli around the corner.<br>
    * A place to launch rockets and fly quad copters. Or go canoing in
    the winter. ;-)<br>
    <br>
    Ok Obviously it's not perfect but nothing is. Hey Tom  really likes
    the place next to the Kiva, talk about location location location!
    But no roll up doors, and the last time I was in there it had a foot
    of water in the basement. Seriously if you wait for the perfect
    place it will be a long long time...<br>
    <br>
    Now Id'e like to respond to Rick's will written points below.
    Basically I feel that we don't have any problems bringing people in.
    They come by almost every OHN, and they come during outreach events,
    This has been VERY EASY for us to do. The actual problem is keeping
    them. They look at what we have and think Meh.... and walk back out.<br>
    <br>
    Yes cleaning it up helped, but I don't think that's enough. I said
    this at yesterdays board meeting, We have to make a choice between
    saving our bank account for moving into a new space or buying some
    cool tools that people will want to use so we can grow our
    membership. I'm ok with either way but we can't do both. If we buy
    tools then we probably can't move for another year.<br>
    <br>
        Clif<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/05/2014 11:52 AM, Rick Osgood
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAMo+O2w-=0hEw-sVgSQdNxJbxaAHERAUMOVC8qH5EuM-u-pBNw@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">Our growth did stall in the second half of 2013 but
        we don't really know why that is.  Initially I believed it was
        because our space was so "small" but honestly after cleaning it
        up and making it more efficient I think we can still find room
        to grow our membership in this space.  At any given time the
        space is either empty or only a couple people are there.  Open
        Hack Nights may be more crowded since the nature of those nights
        is for everyone to get together.  I think our recent initiative
        to improve our current space and make it suitable for classes
        might actually help us grow in our current space, in which case
        we could potentially increase our income to a level where we can
        more easily afford to move to a bigger space like Marie was
        talking about.
        <div> <br>
        </div>
        <div>We have done outreach events in the past but I don't think
          we've ever really figured out how to get people in the door
          and make them want to stay and we certainly haven't been
          consistent about outreach.  We typically hear about some event
          going on and just have one or two people show up with fliers
          and something cool to look at but we've never really figured
          out how to make people excited enough to show up.  We touched
          on this early on when the committee was formed when we
          discussed ways to quickly and efficiently tell people what EMS
          is and why they should be excited about it.  It was back when
          we were talking about the differences in the word "shop" and
          "studio", etc.  I don't think we ever figured it out though.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>With the current state of the space, I think we can more
          easily make people want to join than we could have 3 months
          ago when it was a mess.  We just need to figure out how to
          make them show up to our space, and how to get them to sign
          up.  In my opinion, the best way to accomplish this would be
          to find a way to show people how becoming a member will HELP
          them and IMPROVE their lives.  The hard part is figuring out
          what that message should be and how to reach the right
          audience.  I actually just thought of a fun idea I'll throw
          into a new thread so as not to de-rail this one.  This may be
          a less expensive and less risky way to increase our income
          rather then moving to a bigger space and hoping it will draw
          people in.  </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Though, if we find the right space and we are able to
          stretch I'm not opposed to trying.  I just think Marie has a
          valid point that we can still grow in our current space if we
          actually try.</div>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Mr.
          Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Thanks Marie for
              posting your thoughts,<br>
              <br>
              First of all I'de like to say, Please come and see the
              space before you form a strong opinion on it. Take an
              early lunch and join us. :-)<br>
              <br>
              Next if we waited to grow big enough before we moved into
              our current space we wouldn't have gotten there. Sadly
              over the last three years in spite of numerous outreach
              events, our growth has stalled. This strategy doesn't seem
              to be working.<br>
              <br>
              The first space in your list at least is one we have
              already made an offer on and it was declined.<br>
              <br>
              --- Everyone, Please join us at 10:40 today, right now!
              ;-) ---<br>
              <br>
                  Ciao,<br>
                  Clif<br>
                <br>
              <div>On 03/05/2014 10:20 AM, Marie Slatton-Valle wrote:<br>
              </div>
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                <div dir="ltr">
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Ok, I’ve been
                      lurking long enough so here’s my two cents.  </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Let’s continue
                      focusing our efforts on what we can do now with
                      the space we have.  The Kickstarter panel and shop
                      clean-up days have been great steps forward.  Our
                      goal should be to increase membership to the point
                      that we can afford a $2k rent and justify a move. 
                      Meanwhile, we can really map out what we want in a
                      new space and what it will take to get us there. 
                      I’m down for more committee meetings but can
                      really only handle once a month.  I’d much rather
                      spend my time planning and holding an open sewing
                      hack night in the near future now that the shop
                      space is cleaner and more usable (and I have more
                      time now).</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I would very much
                      like to hear what Eric of Swim Left has to offer
                      aside from that I think we should suspend the
                      search with one eye open. I personally, don’t feel
                      we should move unless there is a very compelling
                      reason.  The Wallace property does nothing for
                      me.  It’s a bigger iteration of the space we have
                      now and clearly, having a space is not enough if
                      EMS intends to grow.  Also, a low price/high SQFT
                      ratio shouldn’t be the sole reason for a move
                      either, especially if it lessens the chance of
                      attracting new members. </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                  <div><span
                      style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;line-height:115%">A
                      few nights back I found some amazing properties
                      searching on CL and Loopnet and then later
                      realized that the rent was too high for what EMS
                      could afford.  Regardless, I feel these locations
                      represent, at least for me, spaces for EMS to
                      aspire towards.</span></div>
                  <div>  </div>
                  <div><b>$2017, 4,203 SQFT - Retail/Warehouse on 10th
                      near Garfield (next door to NextStep Donation Ctr)</b><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.loopnet.com/lid/18110057"
                        target="_blank">http://www.loopnet.com/lid/18110057</a><br>
                      flyer: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://s.lnimg.com/attachments/8/9/9/899B7D08-7D5D-400E-B607-1C372355BF29.pdf"
                        target="_blank">http://s.lnimg.com/attachments/8/9/9/899B7D08-7D5D-400E-B607-1C372355BF29.pdf</a></div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div> <b>$2500, 2700 SQFT - Historic Fire Station
                          Property (1st St in the Whiteaker)</b></div>
                      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://www.loopnet.com/lid/18458165"
                          target="_blank">http://www.loopnet.com/lid/18458165</a><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <div><b>$2500, 2170 SQFT - Whiteaker Neighborhood
                        Retail Outbuilding (on 6th next to Grey's Garden
                        Center)</b></div>
                    <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.loopnet.com/lid/18550268"
                        target="_blank">http://www.loopnet.com/lid/18550268</a><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><b>$2400, 5750 SQFT - Warehouse and Office
                        Space (675 Wilson)</b><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://eugene.craigslist.org/off/4337544979.html"
                        target="_blank">http://eugene.craigslist.org/off/4337544979.html</a></div>
                  </div>
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                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:23
                    AM, Mr. Clif <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> sure why
                        not?<br>
                        <br>
                            Clif<br>
                        <br>
                        <div>On 03/05/2014 09:14 AM, Ben Hallert wrote:<br>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <div dir="ltr">
                            <div>Following up on this, are there any
                              objections to someone sending out a link
                              to the map with something like the example
                              request text between the -------- below to
                              discuss?  This thread only has the board
                              and committee copied on it.<br>
                              <br>
                            </div>
                            <div>If there are no objections, I will send
                              it as-is to discuss when this email is
                              five hours old so speak now or forever etc
                              etc etc.<br>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            Ben<br>
                          </div>
                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
                            <div>- Ben</div>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 4, 2014
                              at 7:27 PM, Ben Hallert <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:ben@hallert.net"
                                  target="_blank">ben@hallert.net</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>Per Ellery's excellent idea
                                        to get a visualization of where
                                        our membership is, I've created
                                        a example ZeeMaps map that we
                                        should all be able to add
                                        pushpins to without needing to
                                        log in.  Could we perhaps send
                                        something like this out to the
                                        larger distribution with a
                                        request for participation as
                                        part of gathering this data?  I
                                        suggest some basic text along
                                        the lines of:<br>
                                        <br>
                                        -----------<br>
                                        The Board and Committee To
                                        Embiggen Our Space is looking
                                        for information to help choose
                                        our future location.  As part of
                                        this, we'd like to get an idea
                                        of where everyone lives or
                                        thinks they'll be commuting from
                                        most frequently.  If you would
                                        like your location to be taken
                                        into consideration in
                                        determining where we'll go next,
                                        please visit the following link
                                        and click 'Additions' then 'Add
                                        Marker - Simple' and follow the
                                        instructions to enter a
                                        pushpin.  Be as specific or as
                                        general as you want, we're just
                                        looking for general location
                                        data to help with planning.<br>
                                        <blockquote> <span><a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="http://bit.ly/1i6zKvp"
                                              target="_blank">http://bit.ly/1i6zKvp</a></span>
                                        </blockquote>
                                      </div>
                                      Thanks!<br>
                                      -----------<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    This way we can hopefully get a
                                    basic idea of where everyone is
                                    coming from that might help define
                                    the ideal geofence.<br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  Thoughts?<br>
                                  <br>
                                  - Ben<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                    </font></span></div>
                                <span><font color="#888888"> </font></span>
                                <div class="gmail_extra"><span><font
                                      color="#888888"><br clear="all">
                                      <div>- Ben</div>
                                    </font></span>
                                  <div>
                                    <div> <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue,
                                        Mar 4, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Ellery
                                        Weber <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:ellery@elleryweber.com"
                                            target="_blank">ellery@elleryweber.com</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Off



                                                  the top of my head:</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                              <p><span
                                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span>        


                                                    </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It



                                                  needs to be
                                                  affordable. </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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                                                <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It



                                                  does make me a bit
                                                  anxious to jump in
                                                  feet first into
                                                  something that is more
                                                  than double our
                                                  current rent. I know
                                                  we have some people
                                                  who have volunteered
                                                  to help out by
                                                  donating more to help
                                                  with rent. I know that
                                                  many people did that
                                                  at the McKinley space
                                                  as well, so I’m
                                                  totally fine with
                                                  doing that again. It
                                                  just makes me nervous,
                                                  but that’s not a big
                                                  deal in the long run
                                                  if we have supporters.
                                                  I do think that this
                                                  committee and the
                                                  board needs to make
                                                  this a requirement and
                                                  set hard numbers. A
                                                  hard look at member
                                                  runoff, utility
                                                  fluctuation, income
                                                  fluctuation, and
                                                  committed members
                                                  donating extra to make
                                                  ends meet needs to
                                                  happen before this
                                                  number can be set.</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="text-indent:.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                              <p><span
                                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span>        


                                                    </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It



                                                  needs to be accessible</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:.25in">
                                                <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It



                                                  would be neat to see
                                                  where all our current
                                                  members lived, and try
                                                  to find a location
                                                  that is a mid-point
                                                  for all of them. That
                                                  only takes into
                                                  account current
                                                  members, so there is
                                                  selection bias, but
                                                  would be interesting
                                                  nonetheless. I think
                                                  our current area is
                                                  good. West Eugene
                                                  tends to be more
                                                  industrial, so we
                                                  could fit in better.
                                                  Being close to
                                                  residential is
                                                  problematic, so the
                                                  fact that there is an
                                                  apartment attached to
                                                  the Wallis unit is a
                                                  cause for concern for
                                                  me, but depending on
                                                  the tenant may be a
                                                  non-issue.</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                              <p><span
                                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span>        


                                                    </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It



                                                  needs to have the
                                                  proper resources
                                                  available for EMS to
                                                  be useful (and to
                                                  grow!)</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Mostly,



                                                  here I’m talking about
                                                  shop space, office
                                                  space, power, and
                                                  other amenities that
                                                  are a requirement for
                                                  a working shop to
                                                  function.  Below, I
                                                  use the word ‘plenty’.
                                                  This is very
                                                  subjective, but I
                                                  believe a fixed number
                                                  should be decided upon
                                                  as a minimum. Just
                                                  throwing it out there,
                                                  but the 2000 sq foot
                                                  total that was
                                                  proposed by Weston
                                                  sounds good on paper.
                                                  It would depend on
                                                  shape and how much was
                                                  the office space vs
                                                  shop space.</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This



                                                  list, in my mind,
                                                  includes (not
                                                  exhaustive):</span></p>
                                              <p
                                                style="margin-left:56.25pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>1.<span>      


                                                    </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Plenty



                                                  of shop space</span></p>
                                              <p
                                                style="margin-left:56.25pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>2.<span>      


                                                    </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Plenty



                                                  of office/clean space</span></p>
                                              <p
                                                style="margin-left:56.25pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>3.<span>      


                                                    </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Bathroom</span></p>
                                              <p
                                                style="margin-left:56.25pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>4.<span>      


                                                    </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Utility



                                                  sink</span></p>
                                              <p
                                                style="margin-left:56.25pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>5.<span>      


                                                    </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">3
                                                  phase power</span></p>
                                              <p
                                                style="margin-left:56.25pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>6.<span>      


                                                    </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Plenty



                                                  of power outlets</span></p>
                                              <p
                                                style="margin-left:56.25pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>7.<span>      


                                                    </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Flexibility



                                                  to make minor
                                                  adjustments (tape off
                                                  areas of the floor,
                                                  run network jacks,
                                                  paint?)</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="text-indent:.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                              <p><span
                                                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span>        


                                                    </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It



                                                  needs to be secure</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="margin-left:.25in">
                                                <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">There



                                                  are a few places I’ve
                                                  seen that are in
                                                  pretty sketchy areas
                                                  of Eugene. I’d have to
                                                  look through the wiki
                                                  again to find which
                                                  ones, but I know at
                                                  least one of them was
                                                  in a place that I
                                                  wouldn’t really feel
                                                  comfortable leaving my
                                                  car parked out front
                                                  let alone leave
                                                  expensive tools
                                                  inside. Security for
                                                  members tools is a
                                                  high importance if we
                                                  want to try and build
                                                  a community workshop
                                                  and expect people to
                                                  feel comfortable
                                                  leaving their stuff at
                                                  the space.</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="text-indent:.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Again,



                                                  this is just off the
                                                  top of my head and
                                                  fairly general.</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">EW</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ps,



                                                  I only proofread this
                                                  once, so please
                                                  forgive any
                                                  errors/misspellings</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                              <div>
                                                <div
                                                  style="border:none;border-top:solid
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                                                  1.0pt;padding:3.0pt
                                                  0in 0in 0in">
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">
                                                    <b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                                                      Mr. Clif [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>]
                                                      <br>
                                                    </span></p>
                                                  <div><b>Sent:</b>
                                                    Tuesday, March 4,
                                                    2014 4:21 PM<br>
                                                    <b>To:</b> Ellery
                                                    Weber<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <b>Cc:</b> 'board';
                                                  'Committee'<br>
                                                  <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                                  [EMS Board] [EMS
                                                  Committee] Agenda
                                                  items, and Wallis walk
                                                  through
                                                  <p> </p>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Those

                                                    are all good talking
                                                    points but it's up
                                                    to everyone to share
                                                    their view points on
                                                    this. What are yours
                                                    Ellery?</p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          Clif<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      On 03/04/2014
                                                      04:09 PM, Ellery
                                                      Weber wrote:</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">These



                                                        are excellent
                                                        points, Weston –
                                                        thank you for
                                                        bringing them
                                                        up.</span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Based



                                                        on what we want,
                                                        we can look at
                                                        up to $1000/mo,
                                                        and at least
                                                        2000 sq ft  - is
                                                        that correct?</span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">EW</span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
                                                        Committee [<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:committee-bounces@eugenemakerspace.com" target="_blank">mailto:committee-bounces@eugenemakerspace.com</a>]
                                                        <b>On Behalf Of
                                                        </b>Weston
                                                        Turner<br>
                                                        <b>Sent:</b>
                                                        Monday, March 3,
                                                        2014 11:55 PM<br>
                                                        <b>To:</b> Rick
                                                        Osgood<br>
                                                        <b>Cc:</b>
                                                        board; Committee<br>
                                                        <b>Subject:</b>
                                                        Re: [EMS
                                                        Committee] [EMS
                                                        Board] Agenda
                                                        items, and
                                                        Wallis walk
                                                        through</span></p>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">
                                                       </p>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I want to clarify what my vision for EMS is
                                                          and how that
                                                          informs the
                                                          decisions I
                                                          have made that
                                                          affect the
                                                          space. I'd
                                                          like to also
                                                          point out my
                                                          observations
                                                          of how our
                                                          space is used 
                                                          in order to
                                                          justify what
                                                          we have and
                                                          have not done
                                                          as an
                                                          organization.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">In my mind, the most important thing that
                                                          EMS provides
                                                          to its members
                                                          is a community
                                                          workshop.
                                                          Therefore the
                                                          most important
                                                          thing I can do
                                                          is make sure
                                                          the shop is
                                                          well stocked
                                                          with useful
                                                          tools, is
                                                          organized such
                                                          that those
                                                          tools are
                                                          readily
                                                          usable, and is
                                                          clean so that
                                                          members can
                                                          work on their
                                                          projects
                                                          without having
                                                          to clean up
                                                          other member's
                                                          messes first.
                                                          </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">To this end, I think we have accomplished
                                                          two of those
                                                          three goals,
                                                          the shop is
                                                          now clean
                                                          (although
                                                          member storage
                                                          and the parts
                                                          area could be
                                                          more tidy),
                                                          but the shop
                                                          working areas
                                                          are very clean
                                                          and usable. We
                                                          have a wide
                                                          assortment of
                                                          tools that are
                                                          in good
                                                          working order.
                                                          In fact, based
                                                          on a
                                                          maker-shop
                                                          book that Mark
                                                          showed me, we
                                                          are a mature
                                                          shop, only
                                                          lacking a
                                                          couple of more
                                                          advanced tools
                                                          such as a
                                                          laser
                                                          cutter/engraver
                                                          and CNC
                                                          machinery.
                                                          Where I think
                                                          we have the
                                                          most room for
                                                          improvement is
                                                          shop
                                                          organization,
                                                          such as making
                                                          tools and
                                                          parts more
                                                          easily
                                                          locatable, and
                                                          the
                                                          organization
                                                          of space
                                                          itself so that
                                                          it is more
                                                          easily cleaned
                                                          and moved
                                                          about in.
                                                          There are many
                                                          things we can
                                                          do to improve
                                                          usability:
                                                          place large
                                                          tools and
                                                          equipment,
                                                          tables, and
                                                          other
                                                          difficult to
                                                          move things on
                                                          lockable
                                                          casters so
                                                          they can be
                                                          easily pushed
                                                          around by a
                                                          single person,
                                                          create a parts
                                                          database so
                                                          that memeber's
                                                          can determine
                                                          what parts we
                                                          have and where
                                                          they are
                                                          located, do
                                                          the same thing
                                                          for our tools,
                                                          make outlines
                                                          of tools where
                                                          they are
                                                          stored so they
                                                          can easily be
                                                          placed back
                                                          where the came
                                                          from, etc..</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The other focus of our group is community
                                                          outreach, and
                                                          I maintain
                                                          that if the
                                                          community can
                                                          come in to our
                                                          shop on open
                                                          hack nights
                                                          and with the
                                                          assistance of
                                                          members, use
                                                          the shop and
                                                          learn how to
                                                          use tools and
                                                          make stuff,
                                                          then that
                                                          mission is
                                                          primarily
                                                          fulfilled. An
                                                          added function
                                                          is for EMS to
                                                          go out into
                                                          the community
                                                          and
                                                          participate in
                                                          events for
                                                          outreach and
                                                          to let people
                                                          know who we
                                                          are and what
                                                          we do. By the
                                                          way,<b> kudos
                                                          to Mark for
                                                          putting on an
                                                          excellent
                                                          panel
                                                          discussion on
                                                          Kickstarter</b>.
                                                          I learned a
                                                          lot, and
                                                          thought
                                                          everyone did
                                                          an excellent
                                                          job. The event
                                                          was well
                                                          attended, and
                                                          I thought
                                                          people came
                                                          away with
                                                          their
                                                          questions
                                                          answered and
                                                          with good
                                                          insight into
                                                          how to make
                                                          Kickstarter
                                                          work for them.
                                                          Thank you to
                                                          the panelists
                                                          and volunteers
                                                          who helped put
                                                          the event on
                                                          as well. </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Regarding moving to a new space, we should
                                                          only consider
                                                          a particular
                                                          new space if
                                                          it will
                                                          increase our
                                                          capacity for <b>making</b>,
                                                          by immediately
                                                          and with
                                                          little to no
                                                          improvement
                                                          required
                                                          provide for
                                                          more tools
                                                          (laser cutter,
                                                          welders,
                                                          plasma cutter,
                                                          CNC, etc.),
                                                          motivate more
                                                          people to join
                                                          due to having
                                                          a more
                                                          functional
                                                          space, and
                                                          encourage
                                                          added
                                                          membership and
                                                          foot traffic
                                                          due to a
                                                          better
                                                          location and
                                                          street
                                                          presence
                                                          (read: a more
                                                          central
                                                          location). We
                                                          also have to
                                                          be able to
                                                          afford the
                                                          move-in costs
                                                          and first
                                                          several months
                                                          of operation
                                                          at current
                                                          membership
                                                          levels.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Regarding the
                                                          notion that we
                                                          are going to
                                                          move into a
                                                          space of 3X
                                                          the cost and
                                                          radically
                                                          change the
                                                          model of
                                                          operation of
                                                          the shop in
                                                          order to fund
                                                          it, i.e., by
                                                          teaching
                                                          classes, I am
                                                          skeptical that
                                                          we can pull
                                                          this off due
                                                          to the
                                                          following
                                                          reasons: most
                                                          members have
                                                          day jobs that
                                                          consume the
                                                          majority of
                                                          their time and
                                                          energy, I/we
                                                          would be
                                                          reluctant to
                                                          pour a
                                                          tremendous
                                                          amount of
                                                          additional
                                                          energy into
                                                          converting EMS
                                                          from a
                                                          community shop
                                                          into a
                                                          business
                                                          (which is
                                                          essentially
                                                          what a
                                                          non-free
                                                          school is)
                                                          with
                                                          potentially
                                                          very demanding
                                                          customers
                                                          (students). I
                                                          do envision
                                                          EMS putting on
                                                          classes, but
                                                          not at the
                                                          scale at which
                                                          it would cover
                                                          the larger
                                                          portion of our
                                                          budget. We
                                                          have thus far
                                                          not held
                                                          classes at the
                                                          shop, and we
                                                          need to do so
                                                          in order to
                                                          work out the
                                                          process of
                                                          holding them
                                                          and to gauge
                                                          levels of
                                                          participation.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">In light of these reasons, and the fact
                                                          that the shop
                                                          for the
                                                          majority of
                                                          the time goes
                                                          totally
                                                          unutilized, I
                                                          am not
                                                          compelled to
                                                          settle for a
                                                          space that
                                                          does not
                                                          satisfy the
                                                          goals
                                                          mentioned
                                                          above and
                                                          additionally
                                                          the following
                                                          requirements:</p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>- The space shall be at least twice the
                                                          size of our
                                                          current space
                                                          and no more
                                                          than twice the
                                                          cost. Read:
                                                          that as less
                                                          than or equal
                                                          to 2X the
                                                          current cost
                                                          and greater
                                                          than or equal
                                                          to 2X the
                                                          space...</b></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b>-
                                                          The space
                                                          shall be
                                                          partitioned
                                                          roughly
                                                          equally
                                                          between shop
                                                          and office
                                                          space, with
                                                          the office
                                                          space not
                                                          exceeding the
                                                          size of the
                                                          shop. Maybe
                                                          1/3 office and
                                                          2/3 shop would
                                                          be the most
                                                          unequal
                                                          partition
                                                          allowable. </b></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><b>-
                                                          The space
                                                          shall be
                                                          accessible,
                                                          i.e,
                                                          conveniently
                                                          located so
                                                          that it is a
                                                          compelling
                                                          hang out spot
                                                          and readily
                                                          used by
                                                          members
                                                          without a long
                                                          commute. Read:
                                                          no less
                                                          centrally
                                                          located than
                                                          we already
                                                          are.</b></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>- The shop space shall have at least one
                                                          overhead door.</b></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <b>- The space shall have utilities in
                                                          place to make
                                                          it immediately
                                                          usable, i.e.
                                                          electrical
                                                          outlets
                                                          120/240V and
                                                          preferable 3
                                                          phase
                                                          available.</b></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <b>- The space shall have a bathroom and
                                                          a utility
                                                          sink.</b></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>- The space shall be easily secured in
                                                          order to
                                                          protect
                                                          member's
                                                          tools.</b></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b>-
                                                          The space
                                                          shall permit a
                                                          flexible lease
                                                          arrangement,
                                                          ideally month
                                                          to month, with
                                                          6 months, and
                                                          a year lease
                                                          being less
                                                          optimal. That
                                                          way we can
                                                          recover from a
                                                          failure to
                                                          grow into a
                                                          larger space
                                                          without being
                                                          scarred by
                                                          legal troubles
                                                          from an
                                                          inability to
                                                          meet the lease
                                                          agreement. </b></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> </p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I encourage you all to add to, these
                                                          requirements
                                                          (or challenge
                                                          them), and for
                                                          that matter,
                                                          add to,
                                                          question, and
                                                          challenge the
                                                          ideas put
                                                          forward in
                                                          this mail in
                                                          general (as
                                                          it's just my 2
                                                          cents, but
                                                          maybe closer
                                                          to a nickel or
                                                          a dime at this
                                                          length :))</p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Regards,</p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Weston</p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">  </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> </p>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On


                                                          Mon, Mar 3,
                                                          2014 at 7:43
                                                          PM, Weston
                                                          Turner <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wstnturner@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">wstnturner@gmail.com</a>>



                                                          wrote:</p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">I'd



                                                          like to
                                                          discuss
                                                          whether we
                                                          want to have a
                                                          presence at
                                                          these two
                                                          events at the
                                                          UO this
                                                          Saturday and
                                                          the Saturday
                                                          after (thanks
                                                          to Mark for
                                                          forwarding
                                                          these events
                                                          to Discuss):<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <span
                                                          style="color:#073763">----------



                                                          Forwarded
                                                          message
                                                          ----------<br>
                                                          From: <b>Brandy


                                                          Todd</b> <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:btodd@uoregon.edu" target="_blank">btodd@uoregon.edu</a>><br>
                                                          Date: Wed, Feb
                                                          19, 2014 at
                                                          11:04 AM<br>
                                                          Subject:
                                                          Science Fair
                                                          & Queen's
                                                          Ball Call for
                                                          Presenters!<br>
                                                          To: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:spicescience@uoregon.edu" target="_blank">spicescience@uoregon.edu</a><br>
                                                          Cc: Ariana
                                                          Evensen <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:evensen@uoregon.edu" target="_blank">evensen@uoregon.edu</a>>,



                                                          UO STEM CORE
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stemcore@uoregon.edu" target="_blank">stemcore@uoregon.edu</a>><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Greetings All,</span></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#073763">It Science Fair time once again!  And once again,
                                                          we’d love to
                                                          have your
                                                          group host an
                                                          activity table
                                                          at the event.
                                                           BUT WAIT!
                                                           There’s MORE!
                                                           This year as
                                                          part of my
                                                          SLUG Queen
                                                          “Rain” I am
                                                          holding a
                                                          fundraiser for
                                                          SPICE and we’d
                                                          love to have
                                                          volunteers/participants
                                                          for that as
                                                          well.  All
                                                          proceeds will
                                                          go to the
                                                          SPICE program
                                                          to support
                                                          girls in
                                                          SCIENCE!
                                                           Details below</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:#073763">Science Fair </span></b><span
                                                          style="color:#073763">-
                                                          March 8th
                                                          11am-3pm -
                                                          Willamette
                                                          Atrium - Would
                                                          your group
                                                          like to host
                                                          an activity
                                                          table?  Would
                                                          your members
                                                          like to
                                                          volunteer to
                                                          help
                                                          out/judge?
                                                           Please let us
                                                          know.  This is
                                                          a super fun
                                                          event for all
                                                          ages and a
                                                          great way to
                                                          showcase the
                                                          wonderful
                                                          outreach your
                                                          program does.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:#073763">Slug Queen’s Pi-Pie Gala Ball Extravaganza!</span></b><span
style="color:#073763"> - March 15th 7pm-11pm in the Willamette Atrium.
                                                           Imaging the
                                                          Fall Science
                                                          Open House,
                                                          but for
                                                          adults!  We’re
                                                          going to have
                                                          tons of fun
                                                          science, music
                                                          dancing (and
                                                          no kids ;-)
                                                          !).  We need
                                                          volunteers for
                                                          all aspects of
                                                          the event and
                                                          groups to host
                                                          activities for
                                                          attendees.
                                                           We’ve already
                                                          nailed down
                                                          microscope
                                                          making and
                                                          Liquid
                                                          Nitrogen Ice
                                                          Cream/Dry Ice
                                                          Root Beer
                                                          Floats.  Do
                                                          you have a fun
                                                          demo or
                                                          activity you’d
                                                          like to show
                                                          off for an
                                                          adult audience
                                                          (get as racy
                                                          as you like)?
                                                           This is the
                                                          event for you.
                                                           Featuring
                                                          music by
                                                          Accordions
                                                          Anonymous.
                                                           Poster
                                                          Attached.
                                                           Please share
                                                          with your
                                                          friends and if
                                                          you don’t want
                                                          to present,
                                                          then come and
                                                          have fun as a
                                                          guest!</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#073763"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="https://www.facebook.com/events/226564254198673/"
target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/events/226564254198673/</a></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">If


                                                          we want to
                                                          participate,
                                                          we need to
                                                          call out for
                                                          volunteers and
                                                          figure out
                                                          what we want
                                                          to have at our
                                                          table. I'd
                                                          like to see us
                                                          there, so I'll
                                                          step up to
                                                          volunteer.</p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On



                                                          Mon, Mar 3,
                                                          2014 at 6:53
                                                          PM, Rick
                                                          Osgood <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rick@richardosgood.com"
                                                          target="_blank">rick@richardosgood.com</a>>



                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">First,



                                                          I like all of
                                                          the points
                                                          Weston has
                                                          called out in
                                                          his last email
                                                          in the thread.
                                                           That's the
                                                          kind of thing
                                                          I was talking
                                                          about.  If
                                                          that was
                                                          decided
                                                          already and
                                                          posted
                                                          somewhere
                                                          before then
                                                          I'm sorry I
                                                          either missed
                                                          it or forgot.</p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Second,



                                                          I didn't mean
                                                          to demean
                                                          Clif's
                                                          efforts.  I
                                                          know he put
                                                          more work into
                                                          finding the
                                                          new spaces
                                                          than anyone
                                                          else likely
                                                          did.  I do
                                                          appreciate
                                                          that.  I am
                                                          just trying to
                                                          get us to make
                                                          sure we know
                                                          what we are
                                                          doing before
                                                          putting
                                                          ourselves in
                                                          the same
                                                          situation as
                                                          before.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Third,



                                                          I should
                                                          mention that
                                                          to begin with
                                                          I was all for
                                                          the "bite the
                                                          bullet"
                                                          approach with
                                                          the Wilson
                                                          space that we
                                                          missed out on.
                                                           Now that I
                                                          see where that
                                                          lead us, I
                                                          think it would
                                                          be wise to try
                                                          another
                                                          approach this
                                                          time.  That's
                                                          what I'm
                                                          getting at.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#888888"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#888888">Rick</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">  </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On



                                                          Mon, Mar 3,
                                                          2014 at 6:42
                                                          PM, Kassie
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kassandra_kaplan@yahoo.com" target="_blank">kassandra_kaplan@yahoo.com</a>>



                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                          <blockquote
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">I
                                                          have to say
                                                          that while I
                                                          don't like the
                                                          situation we
                                                          are in and the
                                                          pressure
                                                          behind it, I
                                                          believe cliff
                                                          is trying his
                                                          best to do his
                                                          job and he has
                                                          being put in a
                                                          situation
                                                          where his work
                                                          amounts to
                                                          nothing
                                                          because of our
                                                          response time.
                                                           We have lost
                                                          good spaces
                                                          because we
                                                          could not
                                                          react and for
                                                          Clif that
                                                          means
                                                          countless
                                                          memos and
                                                          conversation
                                                          add to
                                                          nothing.</p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">At



                                                          one point,
                                                          everyone was
                                                          driven to move
                                                          into a new
                                                          space and it
                                                          was I that
                                                          felt "under
                                                          the gun" to
                                                          except the
                                                          need to make
                                                          the leap of
                                                          faith.  I hear
                                                          people say
                                                          "move or die"
                                                          and that when
                                                          we moved into
                                                          our current
                                                          space you had
                                                          to just "hope
                                                          it would all
                                                          work out".
                                                           While I'm
                                                          glad we are
                                                          being<br>
                                                          more realistic
                                                          and metered in
                                                          our approach,
                                                          I do take
                                                          exception to
                                                          people
                                                          complaining
                                                          about what
                                                          they were
                                                          doing a few
                                                          months ago.  </p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          I think we
                                                          need we need
                                                          to go a step
                                                          farther then
                                                          what mark is
                                                          suggesting.  I
                                                          think we need
                                                          to create a
                                                          protocol for
                                                          finding,
                                                          assessing,
                                                          applying, and
                                                          renting a new
                                                          space.</p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                           </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">It



                                                          would include
                                                          all our "wants
                                                          and dreams"
                                                          but it should
                                                          also include
                                                          algorithm that
                                                          will put us in
                                                          a space
                                                          quickly.
                                                          While, it's
                                                          important to
                                                          know what we
                                                          want and can
                                                          afford, we
                                                          need to be
                                                          able to get
                                                          it.  There is
                                                          no point
                                                          debating a
                                                          place if we
                                                          can't actually
                                                          get the place.
                                                           In fact,  I
                                                          suggest we
                                                          should suspend
                                                          looking for a
                                                          new place till
                                                          we get this
                                                          protocol in
                                                          place or those
                                                          looking for
                                                          spaces are
                                                          wasting their
                                                          time.</p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Kassie</p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          Sent from my
                                                          iPhone</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                                                          On Mar 3,
                                                          2014, at 5:41
                                                          PM, "Mr. Clif"
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>>



                                                          wrote:</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">The



                                                          reason I'm
                                                          putting
                                                          pressure on us
                                                          is because a
                                                          few of us have
                                                          already agreed
                                                          that $1200
                                                          would be
                                                          dooable, and
                                                          that this
                                                          place will be
                                                          gone this
                                                          week. Also we
                                                          have been
                                                          skipping space
                                                          committee
                                                          meetings and
                                                          board meetings
                                                          when I had a
                                                          decent list of
                                                          agenda items
                                                          to catch up
                                                          on. But
                                                          without a
                                                          clear option
                                                          in front of us
                                                          I guess as a
                                                          group we
                                                          didn't feel
                                                          the need to
                                                          work these
                                                          details out.
                                                          Now that we
                                                          have something
                                                          it's too late
                                                          to work them
                                                          out. Sigh...<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                              Clif<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Ok then I
                                                          guess there is
                                                          no point in
                                                          looking at the
                                                          Wallis place
                                                          this week.</p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On



                                                          03/03/2014
                                                          04:50 PM, Rick
                                                          Osgood wrote:</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Well



                                                          put, Mark.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On



                                                          Mon, Mar 3,
                                                          2014 at 4:48
                                                          PM, Mark
                                                          Danburg-Wyld
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                                          wrote:</p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">I
                                                          agree with
                                                          that, Rick -
                                                          not that I
                                                          think Clif is
                                                          trying to put
                                                          anyone under
                                                          the gun, but
                                                          that we need
                                                          some consensus
                                                          before we can
                                                          try to go
                                                          forward with
                                                          any particular
                                                          site. Seems to
                                                          me that the
                                                          best approach
                                                          is to
                                                          recognize we
                                                          will likely be
                                                          in a "stretch"
                                                          position when
                                                          we do move to
                                                          a larger
                                                          space, and
                                                          also to
                                                          recognize
                                                          there will be
                                                          some
                                                          trade-offs to
                                                          consider in
                                                          terms of
                                                          location and
                                                          features. But
                                                          give that, can
                                                          we strive to
                                                          reach a
                                                          consensus
                                                          around
                                                          something
                                                          like:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          1. no more
                                                          than $X/month</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">2.



                                                          at least Y sq.
                                                          ft.<br>
                                                          3. no fewer
                                                          than three of
                                                          the following
                                                          benefits: <br>
                                                              a.
                                                          multiple bays,
                                                          <br>
                                                              b. 3
                                                          phase, <br>
                                                              c. etc.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">4.



                                                          none of the
                                                          following
                                                          show-stoppers:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">   



                                                          a. Springfield
                                                          address</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                              b. etc.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Then, once we have that level of clarity
                                                          around what we
                                                          want, when the
                                                          next right
                                                          space comes
                                                          online, we'll
                                                          be positioned
                                                          to jump. If
                                                          after some
                                                          period of
                                                          time, we find
                                                          that our
                                                          requirements
                                                          do not overlap
                                                          with reality,
                                                          revisit and
                                                          adjust,
                                                          repeat...</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Otherwise,



                                                          I think, we'll
                                                          keep ending up
                                                          with 'this
                                                          space looks
                                                          good'/'feels
                                                          like a rush to
                                                          decide' kind
                                                          of debate.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">  </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On



                                                          Mon, Mar 3,
                                                          2014 at 4:00
                                                          PM, Rick
                                                          Osgood <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rick@richardosgood.com"
                                                          target="_blank">rick@richardosgood.com</a>>



                                                          wrote:</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">I
                                                          would simply
                                                          like to see
                                                          EMS as an
                                                          organization
                                                          come to some
                                                          consensus as
                                                          to what it is
                                                          willing to
                                                          accept as
                                                          "affordable".
                                                           EMS needs to
                                                          figure out how
                                                          much money we
                                                          have and then
                                                          decide how
                                                          much risk we
                                                          are willing to
                                                          accept by
                                                          making a
                                                          commitment
                                                          over that
                                                          amount.  This
                                                          is really
                                                          about two
                                                          things.
                                                           Affordability
                                                          and Risk. </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Clif,



                                                          the way you
                                                          are pushing
                                                          this makes me
                                                          feel you are
                                                          attempting to
                                                          put everyone
                                                          under the gun
                                                          and make them
                                                          feel pressured
                                                          to sign a new
                                                          lease hope
                                                          everything
                                                          magically
                                                          works out.
                                                           That might
                                                          work, but in
                                                          my opinion
                                                          it's not the
                                                          way an three
                                                          year old
                                                          organization
                                                          should
                                                          operate.  It's
                                                          sloppy and
                                                          unnecessary.
                                                           I think it's
                                                          unfair for you
                                                          to push that
                                                          kind of
                                                          pressure on
                                                          every one
                                                          else.  If
                                                          there are a
                                                          bunch of
                                                          members who
                                                          are want to
                                                          take this
                                                          approach again
                                                          then I'll
                                                          retract my
                                                          last statement
                                                          but I didn't
                                                          get the
                                                          feeling anyone
                                                          wanted to go
                                                          through that
                                                          again.  Why
                                                          don't we learn
                                                          from our
                                                          mistakes
                                                          instead of
                                                          repeating
                                                          them?</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Let's



                                                          say we find a
                                                          space for
                                                          $1200/month
                                                          today.  Then
                                                          what?  We
                                                          still have to
                                                          decide if we
                                                          can "afford
                                                          it" by paying
                                                          out of our
                                                          savings,
                                                          making up the
                                                          difference,
                                                          and accepting
                                                          the risk that
                                                          it might take
                                                          us a while to
                                                          actually start
                                                          breaking even
                                                          again.  How
                                                          about we
                                                          decide what
                                                          that
                                                          acceptable
                                                          risk level is
                                                          now and then
                                                          approach this
                                                          intelligently,
                                                          rather than
                                                          waiting until
                                                          the last
                                                          minute again
                                                          and making
                                                          everyone feel
                                                          pressured?  We
                                                          tried the
                                                          "jump in with
                                                          two feet"
                                                          approach last
                                                          time and it
                                                          didn't work
                                                          because we
                                                          didn't have a
                                                          clear
                                                          definition of
                                                          what level of
                                                          risk we are
                                                          willing to
                                                          accept.  What
                                                          makes you
                                                          think the
                                                          result will be
                                                          any different
                                                          this time
                                                          around when we
                                                          still haven't
                                                          figured out
                                                          the acceptable
                                                          risk?  Let's
                                                          not waste the
                                                          renter or the
                                                          realtor's time
                                                          again.  Let's
                                                          figure out
                                                          what we are
                                                          comfortable
                                                          with first,
                                                          then then when
                                                          it comes time
                                                          to pull the
                                                          trigger we
                                                          won't be able
                                                          to hesitate on
                                                          the financial
                                                          issues because
                                                          we will have
                                                          already made
                                                          that decision.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On



                                                          Mon, Mar 3,
                                                          2014 at 3:44
                                                          PM, Mr. Clif
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:clif@eugeneweb.com" target="_blank">clif@eugeneweb.com</a>>



                                                          wrote:</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Well



                                                          ok can we
                                                          afford
                                                          anything more
                                                          than we are
                                                          paying now?
                                                          One answer is
                                                          no, it will
                                                          put us in the
                                                          red. On the
                                                          other hand If
                                                          everyone that
                                                          pledged extra
                                                          is still good
                                                          for that then
                                                          that's another
                                                          $500. So its
                                                          close. But
                                                          then we will
                                                          have utils and
                                                          other extra
                                                          stuff so still
                                                          no, can't do
                                                          it. You could
                                                          wait for 1500
                                                          sq foot space
                                                          or a 2000 sq
                                                          ft space but
                                                          they will be
                                                          in random
                                                          places that we
                                                          don't really
                                                          like etc...
                                                          Then you could
                                                          stay in them
                                                          for a year
                                                          each and
                                                          slowly work up
                                                          to bigger
                                                          spaces. Or we
                                                          could  just go
                                                          for it and
                                                          save ourselves
                                                          a couple of
                                                          moves and the
                                                          years flying
                                                          by. Because if
                                                          we wait longer
                                                          than a few
                                                          days this
                                                          space will be
                                                          Gone...<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          In summary,
                                                          all we have to
                                                          do is wring
                                                          our hands and
                                                          drag our feet
                                                          and the spaces
                                                          will just
                                                          evaporate
                                                          right before
                                                          our very eyes.
                                                          ;-)</p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#888888"><br>
                                                              Clif</span>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          On 03/03/2014
                                                          03:07 PM, Rick
                                                          Osgood wrote:</p>
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                                                          think before
                                                          we start
                                                          scheduling a
                                                          walk through
                                                          and
                                                          appointments
                                                          and bugging
                                                          the realtor,
                                                          I'd like to
                                                          see EMS decide
                                                          on solid
                                                          numbers.  I
                                                          think Clif is
                                                          right that
                                                          it's a
                                                          perceptual
                                                          problem and
                                                          different
                                                          people think
                                                          that different
                                                          amounts sound
                                                          acceptable.
                                                           That's
                                                          something that
                                                          is bound to
                                                          happen as a
                                                          community but
                                                          as an single
                                                          organization
                                                          we have to
                                                          come to some
                                                          agreement.  I
                                                          think the
                                                          board, or
                                                          perhaps this
                                                          committee,
                                                          should vote to
                                                          approve
                                                          numbers for
                                                          Rent and
                                                          Utilities and
                                                          then we will
                                                          only schedule
                                                          appointments
                                                          for places
                                                          that we
                                                          believe meet
                                                          those
                                                          requirements.
                                                           Otherwise we
                                                          are likely to
                                                          do the exact
                                                          same thing as
                                                          last time.  We
                                                          can tell the
                                                          Realtor
                                                          straight up to
                                                          only look at
                                                          spaces that
                                                          meet these
                                                          requirements.
                                                           Then she will
                                                          know that we
                                                          won't sit on
                                                          our hands for
                                                          a month trying
                                                          to figure out
                                                          where the
                                                          money is going
                                                          to come from.
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                                                          think it's
                                                          really
                                                          important that
                                                          we learn our
                                                          lesson from
                                                          this last
                                                          experience and
                                                          do it right
                                                          this time
                                                          around.  $1200
                                                          does sound
                                                          much better
                                                          than $1400 in
                                                          my opinion but
                                                          can we
                                                          actually
                                                          afford that?
                                                           I have no
                                                          idea.  Does
                                                          anyone have
                                                          any idea?
                                                           Again, I'd
                                                          like to see
                                                          some solid
                                                          numbers coming
                                                          back from the
                                                          board so we
                                                          all know
                                                          exactly where
                                                          we draw the
                                                          line and we
                                                          don't sit
                                                          around trying
                                                          to make a
                                                          decision.  We
                                                          make that
                                                          decision
                                                          first, then we
                                                          can jump on a
                                                          space
                                                          immediately.</p>
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                                                          Mon, Mar 3,
                                                          2014 at 3:01
                                                          PM, Mr. Clif
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                                                          is an
                                                          excellent
                                                          question Bob,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I think part
                                                          of the
                                                          (perceptual)
                                                          problem with
                                                          the Wilson
                                                          space was we
                                                          didn't have
                                                          the money in </p>
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